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 Feb 3 2007, 11:19 AM
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 Feed me some spyware!  Group: Members Posts: 4,491 Joined: 18-July 04 From: USA Ware Shoals SC Member No.: 1,500  |
They know those rockets can only travel so fast. And with limited range. Its like us buying a car that got half a mile to a gallon and driving it around. -------------------- The fool says in his heart,"There is no God."They are corrupt, and their ways are vile;there is no one who does good. (Psalm 14:1; 53:1)
"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork" (Psalms 19:1) If you were to die today where would you go? Learn how to go to heaven today click here! Come check out my new blog!! -Austin Z If we are what we eat then I am fried,greasy and 99 cents.(nah I eat healthy most of the time) |
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Feb 4 2007, 06:37 AM
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I think what Fozzie means is that without funding for the space programme how are we supposed to research into faster ways of space travel?
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Feb 4 2007, 07:32 AM
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QUOTE(athelos @ Feb 4 2007, 10:37 PM)  I think what Fozzie means is that without funding for the space programme how are we supposed to research into faster ways of space travel? Personally,I couldn't think of anything more boring than Space Travel.Days or weeks couped up in a space suit,no exercise and no scenery whatsoever.What if you got voilently ill mid flight? Sorry,does not excite me one little bit,even if the flight was for nix. I'd rather spend my holidays couped up in a European Ski Resort. 
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Feb 4 2007, 08:31 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 132 Joined: 10-December 06 Member No.: 100,544 |
 As if you would say such a thing!!!! Firstly you do get exercise. Its actually a very important part which (I believe) is required of the astronauts. Maybe not a brisk walk in the park but still exercise. And one day it could quite possible be a quick jog on another world!!!Fair enough, its cramped but no view?!?!? View View View View View View Hows that for a view?  To each his own though i suppose. What seems horrible to you may seem beautiful to someone else. Me personally, I would give everything I own if i could go up just once! -------------------- Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Australia.
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Feb 4 2007, 08:38 AM
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"Bleepin' Aussie Addict" Group: Members Posts: 1,903 Joined: 14-October 06 From: SYDNEY-AUSTRALIA Member No.: 90,018 |
I think you have convinced me to change my mind,athelos.
Thanks for sharing those pictures with us.Must admit they are beautiful. 
This post has been edited by DSTM: Feb 4 2007, 09:59 AM -------------------- I once had a life.. now I have the Internet... |
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Feb 4 2007, 09:22 AM
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Feed me some spyware! Group: Members Posts: 4,491 Joined: 18-July 04 From: USA Ware Shoals SC Member No.: 1,500 |
" I think what Fozzie means is that without funding for the space programme how are we supposed to research into faster ways of space travel?"
Well most of the money they spend is not on new ways of space travel I bet. Its making and sending bots to mars and wherever. -------------------- The fool says in his heart,"There is no God."They are corrupt, and their ways are vile;there is no one who does good. (Psalm 14:1; 53:1)
"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork" (Psalms 19:1) If you were to die today where would you go? Learn how to go to heaven today click here! Come check out my new blog!! -Austin Z If we are what we eat then I am fried,greasy and 99 cents.(nah I eat healthy most of the time) |
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Feb 4 2007, 09:26 AM
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 aut viam inveniam aut faciam Group: Members Posts: 3,510 Joined: 14-November 06 From: Ossendrecht/The Netherlands Member No.: 95,557 |
QUOTE(athelos @ Feb 4 2007, 12:37 PM) I think what Fozzie means is that without funding for the space programme how are we supposed to research into faster ways of space travel? What I meant is that without space travel they wouldn't be able to test the ability for instance to travel at "warp speed " (Beam me up Scottie) NIce pictures athelos!! 
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Feb 4 2007, 04:43 PM
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 Forum Regular Group: Members Posts: 275 Joined: 14-December 04 From: Byron Bay, Australia Member No.: 7,128 |
I hate to be a party pooper Athelos, but most of those views are not the views you get from space (unless you happen to be looking thru the Hubble telescope. There were 2 or 3 there that were near earth orbit views. The rest were galaxies seen thru a very large telescope.
Having said that, I agree with you. I would love to go into space. (If my old ticker could take it.) -------------------- I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
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Feb 4 2007, 05:20 PM
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Firstly, thats good to hear DSTM! Glad you and everyone else liked them
.QUOTE I hate to be a party pooper Athelos, but most of those views are not the views you get from space (unless you happen to be looking thru the Hubble telescope.  Yeah...well..I know but they done the point . Plus one day hopefully we will be able to look at these through the window of a shuttle or "ship". They may not seem exactly the same but it'll still be a amazing view.QUOTE Well most of the money they spend is not on new ways of space travel I bet. Its making and sending bots to mars and wherever. Baby-steps cowsgonemad, baby-steps. First Mars then the universe muhahahaha!  .....ahem. What i mean is you cant expect us just to come up with "warp speed" or something along those lines. We have to start somewhere and then progress (fingers crossed).
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Feb 4 2007, 05:59 PM
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 Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 409 Joined: 2-March 06 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 57,604 |
QUOTE(cowsgonemadd3 @ Feb 4 2007, 06:22 AM) " I think what Fozzie means is that without funding for the space programme how are we supposed to research into faster ways of space travel?" Well most of the money they spend is not on new ways of space travel I bet. Its making and sending bots to mars and wherever. That's actually an interesting point; NASA hasn't really pushed for new forms of propulsion. There is one new engine type that's been used on probes (not exactly new...the design has been around a while, just not in practical use) called an ion engine. These engines don't provide very much thrust at any one time. In fact, the force they produce is something along the lines of a piece of paper laying on you hand. But: they can produce this thrust for a long time, unlike conventional rockets that are used for a few seconds or a couple of minutes tops. Another option is the nuclear rocket...which uses a nuclear reactor to heat up gasses which are then vented through a nozzle to produce thrust...but these have many dangers associated with them, and have never gone into production. The obvious threat is an explosion in our atmosphere, radioactive material being spread through out the upper atmosphere. Though it's been suggested that such rockets could be used on vehicles that are already a safe distance from Earth. The propulsion I would like to see developed is called a solar sail. A vessel with a solar sail has no conventional engines; it uses a thin, highly reflective material to create a large surface that uses photons from the sun for propulsion. Sounds weird eh? Well, basically it works like this: photons, or particles of light, have a tiny but measurable amount of momentum. When they are reflected, they bounce off...and some of that momentum is transferred...ie, in this case, to the solar sail. Now again, this amount of energy is infinitesimally small...but it's happening billions (trillions?) of times a second. The more reflective the sail, the larger it's area, the faster the ship can accelerate. You can turn the sails to adjust thrust; you can even use the sails to slow the ship down, when you orbit a planet and come back around toward the sun, then unfurl them 100%. Imagine...no fuel to carry, to toxic propulsion systems...just the light of the sun to scoot you around the solar system. Carl Sagan had suggested that one day we will have solar sailing ships miles across... Here's the homepage of Cosmos 1, a practical solar sailing probe, which unfortunately was destroyed before it had a chance to be tested, due to failure of the launch vehicle it was loaded on. -------------------- "The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday thinking." - Albert Einstein
"The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion." - Thomas Paine "If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands." - Douglas Adams |
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Feb 4 2007, 10:26 PM
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 The red side of the Force Group: Members Posts: 1,060 Joined: 30-April 06 From: Solar System of Ors Member No.: 66,152 |
QUOTE(yoopergirl @ Jan 27 2007, 05:04 AM) Not very important, no, zero tax dollars should be spent on exploration. There's better, more important things on our planet to take care of first. Like, saving and making better use of the planet that we are ON. Let's also take care of homelessness, poverty, starvation, the elderly, universal health for Americans, making sure every child has a GOOD education, for free. I dunno, whats wrong with dealing with the problems that we face now before making 100 new problems somewhere else? IMHO I'm with you yoopergirl. QUOTE(locally pwned @ Jan 28 2007, 01:47 AM) ...Here's what NASA has to say about why we should continue manned exploration. I'm curious to see what Darthy's got to say about this thread, since he doesn't think we have left Earth orbit yet.  Well locally pwned, here we are talking about this issue again. As you know, I'm completely sure that We ... Did ... Not ... Go ... To ... Moon. First of all let's destroy our planet and then we can go to other planets and make the same thing with them.  For those who want to know why I'm telling those kind of things, go to this forum and read the topic "Did We Really Land On The Moon?" In there I explain why I don't beleive we gone to the Moon. Regards, Darthy -------------------- Εν οίδα οτι ουδέν οίδα (I only know that I know nothing) - Socrates
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Feb 6 2007, 08:44 AM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 409 Joined: 2-March 06 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 57,604 |
Darthy, we might just find out...JAXA, the Japanese space agency, is planning to send a probe to the Moon, which may be able to take images of high enough resolution to detect the lunar lander remains.
But then, you still have yet to explain why the US would have chosen to "shown off" it's technical prowess by faking a failed moon landing!
-------------------- "The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday thinking." - Albert Einstein
"The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion." - Thomas Paine "If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands." - Douglas Adams |
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Feb 6 2007, 02:18 PM
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The red side of the Force Group: Members Posts: 1,060 Joined: 30-April 06 From: Solar System of Ors Member No.: 66,152 |
QUOTE(locally pwned @ Feb 6 2007, 01:44 PM) Darthy, we might just find out...JAXA, the Japanese space agency, is planning to send a probe to the Moon, which may be able to take images of high enough resolution to detect the lunar lander remains. But then, you still have yet to explain why the US would have chosen to "shown off" it's technical prowess by faking a failed moon landing! Like I said, may be by the time of the Apollo 13 mission in April 1970, public interest in space travel was beginning to diminish.  Respectfully, Darthy -------------------- Εν οίδα οτι ουδέν οίδα (I only know that I know nothing) - Socrates
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Feb 6 2007, 06:08 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 409 Joined: 2-March 06 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 57,604 |
QUOTE(Darthy @ Feb 6 2007, 11:18 AM) QUOTE(locally pwned @ Feb 6 2007, 01:44 PM) Darthy, we might just find out...JAXA, the Japanese space agency, is planning to send a probe to the Moon, which may be able to take images of high enough resolution to detect the lunar lander remains. But then, you still have yet to explain why the US would have chosen to "shown off" it's technical prowess by faking a failed moon landing! Like I said, may be by the time of the Apollo 13 mission in April 1970, public interest in space travel was beginning to diminish. Respectfully, Darthy Where's the NASA memo that said, "guys, lets fake a failed shot...tragedy grasps public interest, and this way we won't even have to fake the moon images...." ??? Well, it's a decent guess...I suppose...I will give you a 7.2, and that's because I am being generous!  
-------------------- "The whole of science is nothing more than a refinement of everyday thinking." - Albert Einstein
"The world is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion." - Thomas Paine "If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, we have at least to consider the possibility that we have a small aquatic bird of the family anatidae on our hands." - Douglas Adams |
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Feb 7 2007, 12:10 PM
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The red side of the Force Group: Members Posts: 1,060 Joined: 30-April 06 From: Solar System of Ors Member No.: 66,152 |
Excuse me this question locally pwned:
Do you really beleive, without any doubt, that Apollo missions landed on Moon? I have to know if you beleive or not, because if you do I have to talk with you about the Van Allen Belts. Regards, Darthy -------------------- Εν οίδα οτι ουδέν οίδα (I only know that I know nothing) - Socrates
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