BleepingComputer.com: Christian Scientist?!?!

[quote name='yano' post='435858' date='Jan 21 2007, 03:59 PM']If I remember correctly, (someone stated somewhere else..) that God created science?

Sounds like an oxymoron to some.[/quote]

Well, the argument may go something like this: g(G)od creates the universe, and along the way creates humans. Humans develop a tool called "science" to learn about the universe.

So in a sense, if you believe g(G)od created the universe, then he/she/it created science as well.

This again brings up the idea that if g(G)od exists and we use science to learn about the universe he/she/it created, how can science contradict g(G)od? In other words, science only contradicts tight religious interpretation. Such interperatation is created by humans, not g(G)od.

EDIT: Though if the above line of reasoning is true...that science is contained within the universe and is therefore created by g(G)od...I imagine all religious interperatations would have to be created by g(G)od as well. Hmm, the thot plickens...

This post has been edited by locally pwned: 22 January 2007 - 06:16 AM

[quote name='yano' post='435858' date='Jan 21 2007, 06:59 PM']If I remember correctly, (someone stated somewhere else..) that God created science?[/quote]

i think that might have been me. i say that to myself a lot

of course a christian can be a scientist. my biology teacher knew her subject very well and she also knew her faith very well. when it came things like evolution, she would tell us what we needed to know. we all knew that she personally did not believe in evolution (she made that clear) but what i thought was amazing was how she could still teach it well. she approached it objectively, and never turned up her nose to say "well, some SCIENTISTS say this, but i dont really think so, because god. . ." or something like that. she knew what she believed and she also knew what she was supposed to teach and she seemed to be totally cool with it.

A christian scientist can still deal with evolution and not be doubted if he/she supplies facts to support the statement being made. I don't see anything wrong with it. What many do is look over evidence that can support christianity just because they have always taught it s being wrong and don't want to be wrong.

-Steve

yeah, its kinda like disbelief can make a scientist JUST as partial as belief can.

Belief is the DEATH of inteligence. (Robert Anton Wilson....i think?)

I think it should be...

Belief is the death of inteligence...BELIEVE ME!!!

I think there are fundamental contradictions going on EVERYWHERE, i keep spotting them, its so funny

It may not really be a matter of can a Christian be a Scientist or vice vercer, but maybe more a matter of how valid are their conclusions? And THAT is a matter of belief!

The concept of evidence through consistency takes just as much belief as spirituality, its just easier, if anything it can consume people just as much also...weird

Society has become so caught up in the scientific "logical" evidence "bound" way of thinking that it can inhibit all sorts of other perspectives and explanations from being explored. I suppose it IS Sciences advancements that have brought a wealth of innovation and advancement into humanity, but while appreciating this it is often used to disreguard the things (practices, perspectives, phenomena etc) that both the scientific method and Christian beliefs can not apply or explain....THROUGH their lack of belief, yeeeah he he,

Aaaaaah, my brain is meltinggggg (strained voice).

RIGHT! thats definately enough thought on that topic he he he

BYE! nn23

This post has been edited by nn23: 28 February 2007 - 08:59 PM

That is my point nn23. If a christian found a way to disprove evolution that was correct then almost no one would believe him/her. Now if an atheist or an evolutionists 20 years down the road comes to the same conclusion then everyone would believe him/her. People would not trust the christian scientists because he/she went out to disprove evolution yet they would believe the other non-christian scientists. People do not seem to take the christians evidence seriously because they think that it all comes from the Bible yet there are a great number of facts that prove that the Bible is true and that disprove parts of evolution that have no root in the Bible at all. Seems odd that christians are called closed minded when atheists or evolutionists refuse to look at or take the evidence supplied by christians seriously or examine it closely enough.

-Steve

hmmm, that wasnt reeeaally my point (unless i've misunderstood what you just said he he) although what i was saying can be adapted nicely to fit in with what your saying, that is a possibility yes.

There will always be a conflict between christians and non-christians. My point wasnt in support of any particular perspective of science but infact questioning all of our methods of conclusion as a whole towards EVERYTHING !

NICE ONE!!! nn23

I know exactly what you mean, and I took it and used it to my purpose. I did like what you were saying very smart ideas.

-Steve

AWWWWWW CHEERS MATE



In that case i misunderstood that you understood

NICE ONE!!! nn23

It's ok

Simple misunderstanding. Dang electronic stuff that makes communication confusing.

-Steve

Faith and Science are definitely not mutually exclusive. It just so happens that some backward snake-dancers refuse to acknowledge it and have given Christians a bad rap... "Evolution" is a proven condition... within limits. It has been shown that living things adapt genetically to their environment. What has NOT been proven, is that I'm descended from a monkey. There are gaps in evolution that thus far have not been acceptably explained.

Now, science on the whole.... a rational medthod by which we glean greater understanding of the universe... if looked at objectively, science provides massive amounts of evidence to SUPPORT the idea of an intelligent creationary force.

The belief that our reality is the product of some infinitely unlikely cosmic accident? doesn't that seem a little ridiculous?

Just my thoughts

If you are interested in this topic, take a look at the book "The Language of God"

What if "truth" were not the same thing for science and religion? What if the "rules" and procedures for establishing the truth of one were completely different? We sometimes, I think, assume that because we use the same word for both science and religion, that it means the same thing, or one thing only.
It might be that what we call truth is actually a useful falsehood, what then?
It might be that what we call truth is not a destination to arrive at, but the process of "moving toward...".


Cheers,
John

What about Max Planck? Quantum leap?
It seems that Max Planck was pretty conservative man, and his conclusion that the energy emitted by a resonator could only take on discrete values or quanta disturbed him, as it was common belief at his time that nature doesn`t make leaps (old Roman proverb).
Well, his son wrote in Max Planck`s biography, about one walk he had with his father in august 1900, when MP spoked about quanta and was very disturbed because common theory could not explain why fotons/electrons behave as they do and quanta theory do. He did not imagine himself as a revolutionary of any kind.
I`m not sure, but I think Max Planck exposed his theory in november 1900. He knew that idea about quanta would be received from phisicists as a fist in the face, and it was, yet he had courrage and scientific honesty to stand for it. He was the only one who believed in it `till Einstein published his explanation of the photoelectric effect (1907 ?).
Think about, what if Max Planck decided to go for common beliefs instead for his conclusion?
And, IMHO, religion is about faith and beliefs, and science is about facts and conclusion. Feeling does not equal knowledge, and it is not a scientific approach to put an equity mark here.
This puts religious scientists in dillema: are they scientists and religious, or religious and scientists; at least in some scientific disciplines? And for the rest of us there is a question: how much are we ready to let go our outdated prejudices and think as we never knew anything about some subject (or should I say "object")?

Plain and simple, religion and science (logic) do not and should not mix. Religion relies on faith. Science relies on fact and logic. See why they don't mix?