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 Jun 28 2006, 07:34 PM
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Should smoking be permitted in one's own yard/on one's own balcony? In public parks? In outdoor patio eating areas? Just curious what others think about the above. My own personal thoughts: - Smoking should be permitted in outdoor patio eating areas if 'smoking and non-smoking' areas are seperate (and should be left up to the owner's discretion whether it's permitted or not). - Smoking on one own's balcony should be permitted - after all, car exhaust exists out there too. - Smoking in a public park should be permitted - egad, it's the great outdoors. - Smoking in your own back yard is just that, smoking on your personal private property and should be permitted. While smoking is freely acknowledged by most everyone as not being a good thing at all, isn't it odd how often the same people who have put all smokers into the 'Lepers of the 2000's' catagory are sometimes the same ones that think nothing of having a drink or two or three and then getting in their cars to drive home? Hmmm. -------------------- Never let your computer realize you are in a hurry or just typing the last few words of a vital document.
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Jun 29 2006, 09:31 PM
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I really don't care where one smokes. As long as it doesn't effect me I don't care. However, the moment you affect me you got my attention.
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Jun 29 2006, 10:06 PM
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QUOTE(MaraM @ Jun 28 2006, 07:34 PM)  Now that smoking is banned in nearly all restaurants, pubs, etc ... Should smoking be permitted in one's own yard/on one's own balcony? In public parks? In outdoor patio eating areas? Just curious what others think about the above. My own personal thoughts: - Smoking should be permitted in outdoor patio eating areas if 'smoking and non-smoking' areas are seperate (and should be left up to the owner's discretion whether it's permitted or not). - Smoking on one own's balcony should be permitted - after all, car exhaust exists out there too. - Smoking in a public park should be permitted - egad, it's the great outdoors. - Smoking in your own back yard is just that, smoking on your personal private property and should be permitted. While smoking is freely acknowledged by most everyone as not being a good thing at all, isn't it odd how often the same people who have put all smokers into the 'Lepers of the 2000's' catagory are sometimes the same ones that think nothing of having a drink or two or three and then getting in their cars to drive home? Hmmm. I don't smoke but that is my choice, but I have many friends who do smoke and they have every right to do so. Why do people vote in politcians just to take there rights away,go to the continent and smoke away. No referendum, 400 politicians decide what 60,000000 people want,I'm English and thats my point of veiw. |
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Jun 29 2006, 10:42 PM
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 Feed me some spyware!  Group: Banned Posts: 4,557 Joined: 18-July 04 From: USA Ware Shoals SC Member No.: 1,500 |
This is just my opinion. I dont like smoking but no offense to any people who do.
Smoking even around your children in YOUR OWN HOME is really not good. It stays in your home and you all breath it and get second hand smoke. Why people smoke I have no idea. It kills you and it stinks.. I think on their own balcony is fine but if neighbors cant breath the "fresh" air without getting smoked out of Their balcony I see it as a problem. Smoke stinks so bad. So I think it should only be done when nobody is around. Like if you want to kill yourself over time fine but try not and harm others lungs too. |
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Jun 29 2006, 11:11 PM
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Yes. You have the right to kill yourself by smoking but you don't have the right to kill me. So don't smoke around me!
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Jun 29 2006, 11:24 PM
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What do you guys think of BBQ grills? or camp fires? The smoke from these contain many of the same chemicals that are in tobacco smoke.
Should your neighbor be allowed to BBQ if the smoke ends up in your back yard? Second hand smoke is not healthy, but it is no where near as dangerous as the anti-smoking nazis make it out to be. -------------------- Derfram
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Jun 30 2006, 02:34 AM
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Forum Addict Group: Members Posts: 1,654 Joined: 2-April 06 From: British Columbia, Canada Member No.: 62,283 |
QUOTE(ddeerrff @ Jun 29 2006, 09:24 PM) What do you guys think of BBQ grills? or camp fires? The smoke from these contain many of the same chemicals that are in tobacco smoke. Should your neighbor be allowed to BBQ if the smoke ends up in your back yard? Second hand smoke is not healthy, but it is no where near as dangerous as the anti-smoking nazis make it out to be. While I'm the first to admit that sucking in someone else's smoke is not fun at all, I am beginning to suspect that you are very likely right about ,(Quote) "Second hand smoke is not healthy, but it is no where near as dangerous as the anti-smoking nazis make it out to be". (Unquote). For instance my sister is 88 years old - 'smoked like a chimney' since she was a teenager and still does - and is still healthy and happy. Her husband didn't get cancer, her 4 sons didn't get cancer and are all sons are middle-aged now (and only 1 of them smokes). (And no, I'm not 'ancient' yet myself - grin - my poor parents had actually retired before I arrived as their 'surprise of a lifetime!'). She and nearly all her friends smoked - and smoked/still smoke heavily, yet not a single one of them (or their family members) have died from lung cancer. Hmmm. Do have a bit of curiousity about cigarettes themselves, though ... wonder why all the 'additives and perservatives' etc 'have' to be added to the tabacco - especially since most medical professionals say it's these things rather than the tabacco alone that is most harmful to humans? And re BBQ smoke - all I ever wish when our neighbours BBQ and the smoking is drifting over to us is that their dinner was going to be mine - gentle smile. -------------------- Never let your computer realize you are in a hurry or just typing the last few words of a vital document.
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Jun 30 2006, 02:36 AM
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Forum Addict Group: Members Posts: 1,654 Joined: 2-April 06 From: British Columbia, Canada Member No.: 62,283 |
QUOTE(yano @ Jun 29 2006, 09:11 PM) Yes. You have the right to kill yourself by smoking but you don't have the right to kill me. So don't smoke around me! Smoking itself is just a waste of money and life. Ah, but so is drinking and most shopping trips, etc - waste of money and life to some but great enjoyment to others! Gentle grin. -------------------- Never let your computer realize you are in a hurry or just typing the last few words of a vital document.
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Jun 30 2006, 02:42 AM
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Forum Addict Group: Members Posts: 1,654 Joined: 2-April 06 From: British Columbia, Canada Member No.: 62,283 |
QUOTE(ronjon @ Jun 29 2006, 08:06 PM) I don't smoke but that is my choice, but I have many friends who do smoke and they have every right to do so. Why do people vote in politcians just to take there rights away,go to the continent and smoke away. No referendum, 400 politicians decide what 60,000000 people want,I'm English and thats my point of veiw. I'm with you on politicians decided for others, Ronjon. Smoking is even banned in Pubs around here and some of the owners that didn't have outdoor patio areas for their customers to use have 'lost their shirts'. I figure if it's their money that opened their Pub (or whatever) and they should be able to decide for themselves what they want or not want to have happen on their premises. if they place a sign on the door or window saying, "Smoking IS allowed" then those that don't wish to be exposed to smoke need not enter - just as those that wish to smoke don't have to enter 'Non-Smoking' places either. And as for staff being exposed to second-hand smoke ... one of the restaurant owners had 14 employees and each smoked already themselves. No exceptions were made when the new laws went through. Yup, I'm with you - England is a lovely civilized mostly 'live and let live' Country! -------------------- Never let your computer realize you are in a hurry or just typing the last few words of a vital document.
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Jun 30 2006, 02:52 AM
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Forum Addict Group: Members Posts: 1,654 Joined: 2-April 06 From: British Columbia, Canada Member No.: 62,283 |
QUOTE(cowsgonemadd3 @ Jun 29 2006, 08:42 PM) This is just my opinion. I dont like smoking but no offense to any people who do. Smoking even around your children in YOUR OWN HOME is really not good. It stays in your home and you all breath it and get second hand smoke. Why people smoke I have no idea. It kills you and it stinks.. I think on their own balcony is fine but if neighbors cant breath the "fresh" air without getting smoked out of Their balcony I see it as a problem. Smoke stinks so bad. So I think it should only be done when nobody is around. Like if you want to kill yourself over time fine but try not and harm others lungs too. Yup, smoke stinks (but then again, some cooking odors are pretty vile too) - and that's why they've got 'Fabreeze' - grin! - and most learn to open all windows and doors each day and never ever wear the same clothes two days in a row. I agree completely that no one should smoke around children in enclosed spaces. Do think that most smokers have great consideration of others, even long before it became such a 'hot topic' in society. -------------------- Never let your computer realize you are in a hurry or just typing the last few words of a vital document.
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Jun 30 2006, 10:53 AM
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I agree with just about everyone here. I don't smoke, and HATE when i'm in a restaurant trying to enjoy my food and can smell nothing but cigs. I'm glad they're making a move for smoking to be illegal in restaurants, and the like. Some places i DON'T think it should be illegal is places like bars, pool halls, and casinos. If you walk into those places you're ASKING to be smoked out.
Freedom to smoke is all good, but not when it encrouches on othes' rights to enjoy their environment. BTW MaraM: Can you please try to limit your postings? I regularly see you w/ 3 or 4 posts in a row, and, imo, is kind of annoying. If you left something out, you can use the "EDIT" button to refine your post. This post has been edited by Heretic Monkey: Jun 30 2006, 10:58 AM |
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Jun 30 2006, 12:30 PM
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Another attack on personal freedoms.
Not being allowed to smoke outside in the open air is well....ignorant! IMHO Some workplaces do not even allow employees to smoke in thier car, while parked on company property! 
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Jun 30 2006, 02:11 PM
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I wonder if the politicians realize how much tax money they would lose if smoking was outlawed entirely, or just enough to make people quit?
 I have worked in a store (in the USA) that sold cigarettes. At the time, only 29 cents of the per pack price was profit for the tobacco companies, the rest was taxes  . Can we say over taxed? Seafox14 -------------------- 5 So put to death the sinful, earthly things lurking within you. Have nothing to do with sexual immorality, impurity, lust, and evil desires. Don’t be greedy, for a greedy person is an idolater, worshiping the things of this world
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Jun 30 2006, 02:59 PM
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Forum Addict Group: Members Posts: 1,654 Joined: 2-April 06 From: British Columbia, Canada Member No.: 62,283 |
QUOTE(Heretic Monkey @ Jun 30 2006, 08:53 AM) BTW MaraM: Can you please try to limit your postings? I regularly see you w/ 3 or 4 posts in a row, and, imo, is kind of annoying. If you left something out, you can use the "EDIT" button to refine your post. Sorry about that! I couldn't figure out how to take a bit from one's post, using 'quote' and a bit from another's post also using 'quote' all in the same postings (without typing them in by hand) when trying to comment on what different people said. Oops! -------------------- Never let your computer realize you are in a hurry or just typing the last few words of a vital document.
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Jun 30 2006, 03:55 PM
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I feel if your out side what's the diff. I'm not condoning smoking, but if it's so bad ,BAN it completely. ban those tax$$.
I also feel it a bit "Taliban" to tell me what I can or cannot allow in MY business. If I had a restaurant or bar etc.. I would like the option of choice. Put a sign out,then your patrons and employees will know what to expect. In Nj it's a complete farce. They've barred smoking almost everywhere,to protect workers children and the general public from the dreadful "second hand smoke." EXCEPT in Casinos  So you people that want visit,work or play in Casinos, well you can all die from it or is it not that badly effective for a big tax centers. I find this strangely odd. I may just go to Atlantic City to smoke and not gamble.
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