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@ Myrti,

Most if not all Health Insurance companies already cover contraceptives as well as Tubaligation's/Visectomy's....So what's the need for this Bill/Law??

Those that drafted this Bill/Law already knew that the Catholic Church was gonna scream bloody murder.... this is not a surprise.....That's why I smell a RAT in the wood pile...were already free to chose contraceptives if we so choose....There's something about this Bill/Law that just doesn't make sense...

There's a "Clause" in this someplace that will allow the FEDS to run amuck if you will....
Yes there's a healthy payday in this for the Federal Government in the form of taxes from a source that they haven't been able to tap yet....and that may be all that their after....BUT once their foots in the door, what's to stop them from taking some seemly "Harmless Clause" and using it in a very unfavorable way??

Lets say that their able to tap "Organized Religion's wallet"...what's the next step???
Perhap's they will say "Ok, we've made it possible for you NOT to have more children in our overpopulated
World...we're gonna limit you to 2 children..any child born to you after that will cost you $10.000.00 In penalities any pregnancy weather it result's in a live birth or not will cost you $5.000.00 in penalties...

You see Myrti, their already sticking their collective Government nose's into our personal private lives....which they don't have the right to do...


Myrti, remember the anthrax scare awhile back???

a girlfriend and i were discussing on the phone how stupid that college kid was that "Faked" sending anthrax thru the mail... the split second that I said anthrax, there was an audiable click on my phone and my girlfriends as well.. I knew from that moment on our conversation was being listened to.. I didn't really care...except for the fact that my privacey was being invaded that really ticked me off...that's was a loss of my freedom....

many years ago "Tricky dick Nixon" got himself in alot of hot water for "Wire Tapping"..
But since 911, in the name of chasing down alqueda...wire tapping has become the norm.....

That's why i'm so concerned about a bill/Law like this.. it has the potential to do alot of harm and very little if any good...

I hope this makes sense to you Myrti, and explain's why i think this could very easily cost us more freedom.

RESPECTFULLY

MissPlaced

Hi,


Most if not all Health Insurance companies already cover contraceptives as well as Tubaligation's/Visectomy's....So what's the need for this Bill/Law??
Obviously it wasn't all or the church wouldn't be yelling bloody murder. So it's pretty obvious that the church(es) had been trying to wriggle out, thereby making church affiliated employees the only ones that have to pay for their own contraceptives.
Obviously this is an unfair disadvantage for people that are working for church related organisations, eg hospitals and similar. In particular for those people that aren't even of the faith that hospital claims to adher too.
The churches aren't doing what would be decent and the law forces them to do what they wouldn't have done but should have out of their own free will. Tough luck. They've bluffed and failed.

I also don't think that they're going to hide any backdoor in a regulation that is gonna hit the fans flying. This regulation is going to get attacked from all sides because the church believes it should stand above the justice system and should never be forced to abide to laws it doesn't like.
Anything that is objectable in this law will leave this regulation open to an annulment, they'd be bloody stupid to add any kind of secret message or extra passage in this law particularly instead of one that would go unnoticed through the senate and could be invoked later on.

If there was a hidden message or anything in that regulation, you'd have heard about it from all the people opposing the law. That is unless you are assuming that the bishops and the churches and Mr Romney all are conspiring with the government to establish a firm hold over the churches.


I'm trying to find some background info, this is the most informative I've found so far: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/faq-the-health-reform-law-and-contraception/2012/02/06/gIQAHcaHuQ_blog.html
Notable:
The health reform law requires that insurance companies cover preventive services for women without any co-pay beginning this summer. It did not, however, specify what services to cover — that was left to the Obama administration. With guidance from the Institute of Medicine on the issue, Health and Human Services published a regulation on Aug. 1, 2011 that included birth control as part of the preventive package. That regulation also had a conscience clause, which allows religious employers who object to birth control — and also primarily employ those of their own religion — to be exempt from the requirement. That would allow churches to opt out of the new requirement.

Which is what was said earlier. This is not an Obama-law. It was introduced and passed by Bush and only got into power under Obama's period.

This post has been edited by myrti: 06 February 2012 - 08:06 PM

Myrti,
You've certainly given me alot to think about and chew on....and I appreciate your candor
I'm not so hardheaded that i can't see another's point of view...and perhap's see that my position is unfounded....But right now i need some time to think on this...i'ma a little tired and my head is swimming....

Please give me some time to digest what you've given me to read....

RESPECTFULLY

MissPlaced

Its not that I think church organizations shouldnt offer contraceptives, I just dont think the government should have any right to force them to offer it, or any other organization for that matter. Its the same as forced health insurance-I don't believe the government should have the right to push its nose into the private sector and force any company to pay for contraceptives, just like I don't think they have the right to force anyone to have health insurance that they can't afford. IF they want to do something to help all those people who can't afford health insurance, then they should start throwing out all those frivolous law suits that people make against doctors that drive up the cost of doctors, and start perhaps working with the medical profession on making health care affordable, and not a ripoff, not sticking its nose in places it doesn't belong.

@ Myrti,

I've taken the time to read your link and do a little research of my own....

I'll start here...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood#Funding

•Contraception and contraceptive counseling: Women will have access to all Food and Drug Administration-approved contraceptive methods, sterilization procedures, and patient education and counseling. These recommendations do not include abortifacient drugs. Most workers in employer-sponsored plans are currently covered for contraceptives. Family planning services are an essential preventive service for women and critical to appropriately spacing and ensuring intended pregnancies, which results in improved maternal health and better birth outcomes.

as i understand this,PPH already covers these services....So Again i'm asking myself, What's the need for this Bill/Law??

Now No way do I agree with the Catholic Churhes stand on birth control...having said that,

IF it comes down to a vote..I'd have to vote with the Catholic Church on this one and for this reason,

even tho I DON"T agree with their mandates on birth control....I more then just disagree with the Federal Government once again sticking it's big nose into the private lives of it's citizens!


And as i understand it,those that are using the help of "Social Services"(Welfare) already recieve these services for free....(Medical Card)..so that covers the most in need , so that pretty much covers everybody
as far as birth control is concerned.

As I see it the Federal Government and the Cathoilic Church are trying to strong arm each other..each want control.....but the controls that their after are very different....

The Cathoilic Church is after "Control of their religious freedom" and The Frederal Government is after "Control of the American People"

@ Mr. Patroit,

I really appreciate your responces in this matter.

* as a side note I see also that this goes back as far as "Tricky Dick Nixon", and each adminstration has added it's own little twist on this....not un-usual....BUT This Time the Federal Government has gone 1 step too far.

RESPECTFULLY

MissPlaced

* the above Cut/paste was taken from here...

http://www.healthcare.gov/news/factsheets/2011/08/womensprevention08012011a.html

"Tricky Dick"

No pun intended, correct????

@ elmongo2,

Yes the nick name given to "President Richard Milhouse Nixon" after and during "Watergate"

This just in...it's getting interestin....

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-national/20120208/US.Birth.Control.Republicans/?cid=hero_media


MissPlaced

This post has been edited by MissPlaced: 08 February 2012 - 01:13 PM

Not exactly what i was hopein for but.....

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20120207/US.Birth.Control.Politics/?cid=hero_media

MissPlaced

Well, its a step up from what it was, to say the least, and if one had to have a compromise this is better then some, though if you ask me free contraceptives are not a human right-to me, if a women really wants to hop in bed with someone (which is their choice) then they should be responsible for their own contraceptives. If they can't afford said contraceptives then perhaps they shouldn't be sleeping with said man. Thats 100% free, and has a higher success rate at preventing pregnancy then any contraceptive. Just my two cents.

@ Mr. Patroit,

I will agree, this is a better solution..somewhat....

I could turn this around and say "Said Man " should be gentleman enough not to hop into bed with said woman...Contraception IS a two way street ya know.

RESPECTFULLY

MissPlaced

totally agree there.

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