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How Careful are you with your Gun? Kids could get hurt.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 08:56 PM

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Senior policeman accidentally fires gun in luxury unit at Gold Coast 600

He and another officer were sharing a room on the 22nd floor of the resort and had travelled to the event with Glock weapons padlocked as a safety precaution.

The officer forgot the keys to unlock his service weapon. He chambered a bullet and placed the still padlocked weapon in his holster.

The officer was walking through the unit when the weapon suddenly fired into the floor.


Link http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/senior-policeman-accidentally-fires-gun-in-luxury-unit-at-gold-coast-600/story-e6freoof-1226174829515

Even fully Trained people can get caught.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 09:01 PM

In the middle of the night, if the armed intruder walking down the hallway is most likely only after an easy steal, and statistically, most will leave, but lets assume that in this case your right, and he starts firing in the direction of the sound. Keep in mind, most burglers rapists dont carry shotguns, theyre more then likely carrying a handgun because of ease of use, and all their firing at is a single sound, and probably through walls. Not a high chance of success.

Also keep in mind, by this time, you have a round chambered, and the chances of you hitting the intruder, are far higher then him hitting you. you know your house, and by hearing the intruder, have a far better idea where he is then he does of you. So by the time he starts firing, you already have a round chambered and aimed, and the one or two shots that he might be lucky to get off are extremly unlikely to hit you. It also gives you time to make sure that the burglar really is a burglar, and not your teenage son sneaking into the house in the middle of the night because he doesnt want you to know he was out partying with his friends till 2 in the morning until the cops broke it up. On top of that, in some states, if you fire first, guess whos going to jail-regardless if the burglar was supposed to be there or not.

Id much rather be sure of my target before shooting-and even in the case of a burglar, id rather scare them off then shoot them, after all they just might be a dad desperate to feed his kids. Id rather not shoot someone if I had the choice, if it comes down to it Ill do what I have to to protect my family-but If chambering a shotgun round scares them off, then all the better. If it doesn't, well like I said-the rounds chambered by the time he starts firing, so either way the rounds in the chamber before he gets a chance to shoot at me, my way he gets the chance to run.
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Posted 23 October 2011 - 09:09 PM

now, what I dont have a problem with, and have considered doing it myself, is a revolver, with the chamber that has the hammer empty. In that case, since the chamber is empty, no matter how many times it gets whacked, banged or dropped, its not going to go off-however, if you draw that weapon and pull the trigger it will fire instantly since the cylinder automatically rotates to a cylinder that has a round in it. That is a safe way to carry a weapon in my opinion, while having it ready to fire. Also, rugar revolvers, have a cool safety mechanism-one of the only ones I would trust-that has a plate that raises up between the hammer and the firing pin when you pull the trigger. If you dont pull that trigger, that plate doesn't raise, and there is no way that hammer can come in contact with said firing pin. But even then, I would tend to leave the chamber with the hammer over it empty.
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Posted 24 October 2011 - 08:57 AM

Very sensible Post and I certainly agree on the Safety Issues.

Ray.
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Posted 14 November 2011 - 09:21 PM

I am of the firm opinion that a firearm should never be stored with a round in the chamber and preferably without a magazine in it. Obviously this differs in America where they are used for personal protection, but in that case I guess it would be acceptable to store the handgun with a round in the chamber, provided that it is a double action.

To access my firearms, I have to get the keys from one safe, to unlock the door, to then unlock the second safe with the guns in it, and then to unlock the trigger locks I have on them.

It's just not worth the risk of anything being stolen or someone else in the house having access given that it's a $50k fine and 14 years imprisonment even if someone else just has access.

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 10:06 PM

I'll not lie I keep my 1911 in "Condition 1" at all times (Round in Chamber, Hammer Back, Safety On). That's the way it was designed and the 12 Ga. at 1/2 Cock with the trigger safety engaged. One sleeps on each side of the bed. But (and I can't stress this enough) I have no children and when I'm at friends houses who do have children the 1911 never leaves its holster (most don't even know if/when I carry, and I prefer it that way).

A 1911 is SA (Single action), A Glock is DAO (Double Action only), most modern revolvers are DA or DAO. Quick explanation In single action the Trigger will only release the hammer, in Double action the trigger will cock and release the hammer, hammer can be cocked prior to pulling the trigger to ease trigger pull, and Double action only means the only way to cock the hammer is to pull the trigger. Revolvers in general should never be left with a round chambered, why would you want to anyways pulling the trigger rotate the cylinder and brings a loaded chamber up while cocking the trigger.
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Posted 05 January 2012 - 03:31 PM

When will people learn, "There's nothing more dangerous than a woman with a child." Gun or not, if a mother has to protect her child and it's life or death...
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Posted 27 February 2012 - 04:36 PM

Once Again an emotionaly distraught child gained access to a gun.....

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/news-general/20120227/US.School.Shooting.Ohio/?cid=hero_media

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:21 PM

Stuff like that is unfortunate, and if you ask me, reason to give teachers self defense training and guns. How many school shootings would have been stopped on the spot, if someone had been able to shoot back? For that matter, how many school shootings would be avoided if people would just start caring about others and asking how their doing.
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Posted 28 February 2012 - 01:38 PM

@ the_patriot11,
As Much as it pains me to say this and it does to the core of my soul...I'm gonna have to agree with what
you said, simply because the hand writtin's already on the wall...The "Picked On Kids" are not just gonna show up one or two at a time...this is gonna elavate....
Your last sentence is the answer to all of this and I agree with that 2000% percent!!!


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Posted 22 March 2012 - 06:09 PM

Let me tell you 4 stories, one of which I am embarrassed about, two that might have saved my life, and one about someone else.
When I was sixteen I had a 22 Ruger target pistol that I was going to use to kill a rat in the basement. I loaded the gun with a couple of shot rounds (these are sometimes called snake rounds), as I didn't want a solid slug bouncing off the floor or a wall. (I would come to bless my foresight, as you will see.) As I knew it wouldn't come out if I was moving around, I was sitting in a chair reading.

Finally I saw it scuttling out from under the stairs towards the open can of cat food I had left out as bait. I slowly stood up and started to draw the Ruger from the holster at my waist (I still had one back then) As I drew the gun my finger found the trigger and I tugged the gun free of the slight resistance of the holster. BANG! One shot foot! One trip to the hospital where some of the shot was removed and more was left in to work its was out over the next few years. Got rid of the Ruger after a gunsmith told me the previous owner had reduced the trigger pull to the minimum. Never put my finger into the trigger guard again if the gun wasn't pointed down range!

Next story: I worked straight midnights for many years, so when I wanted to take out my girlfriend or in this case, catch up with my sister, I would go the the last movie on a Friday night, which would let out at about 11:30 PM. There was a multiplex at the local mall, but at that time of night the mall parking lot was completely empty except for one white van parked near the road. The theaters were off by themselves across the road from the mall and I had parked off to the side of the theater so we could park near each other, and if anyone was looking out from the shows they would not be able to see us as we walked to our cars. As we were about halfway there I noticed three young men walking towards us from the direction of the van. I can't say why but the way they looked at us and their manner prompted me to sweep back my coat and put my hand on the handle of my gun. They didn't even look at each other, just made a turn like a well practiced drill team and headed for the theater. Three days later, I read a newspaper article about a woman mall employee who had been beaten, robbed, and raped by three men driving a white van the night before.

Another story: I was at a small branch bank to cash a check. The parking lot was wrapped around the bank, and was one way so you had to drive all the way around the bank to get out of the parking lot. As I was leaving, a guy backed out of his spot in front of me without looking so I had to slam on my brakes to keep from hitting him. He pulled back in and I went on by. A minute later he speeds by me, gets ahead of me, slams to a halt, and gets out of his car. He then opens the back door of his car, reaches in and pulls out a tire iron. I stop my car about 20 feet away, and he starts toward me swinging the tire iron like he is coming up to the plate in a baseball game. I reach into the center console where I had stashed my gun before going into the bank, held it up so he could see it, checked it had a round in the chamber (it was a double action only auto, and you have to pull the trigger to line up the firing pin before the gun will fire) and placed it on the dashboard. He looked at the gun, looked at me, looked at the gun again and decided not to bet his life that I wouldn't shoot him. Got in his car and drove away, still so mad (I still don't know why) that he almost had another accident when he pulled out into traffic coming out of the parking lot.

Last story: I wish I had the magazine I read this in, but I am pretty sure my memory of it is close to what the guy wrote. He was a longtime writer for the magazine and had been a police officer for many years. One day he was at home getting ready to go to work and was in full uniform, gun and all. He loaded his revolver with snap caps (fake cartridges that have some type of spring or some buffer to keep the firing pin from being damaged when dry-firing) and proceeded to walk around his (empty) house drawing and firing at random intervals. Finally it was time to go, so he loaded the gun with live rounds and proceeded to walk past the kitchen door. As he passed to door he wheeled drew, and fired one more time, putting a .38 special round through his wifes brand new refrigerator. I am not certain but I think I remember that he checked behind it and found it had gone through the back but not through the wall behind it. He was much relieved that he would not have to report an accidental discharge to his captain, but I wish I could remember how he told his wife why they would need another new refrigerator.

This was a man who had been around guns all his life, but he still screwed up. He didn't tell this story on himself to say "It's all right to make a mistake." He told it to caution all of us that we have to be aware every minute when we have a gun at hand, and that "It's the UNLOADED gun that usually shoots someone accidentally."

Last, but not least, heres a partial solution to keeping a gun at hand, but keeping the gun away from kids: Buy or modify a nightstand that has a drawer that LOCKS but won't release the key as long as it is UNLOCKED. Put the house and car keys on the same key ring. As long as you control who has the ONLY key to that drawer, the kids can't get to it.

However, I also believe that when they are old enough, you should teach them to shoot. While you are doing that show them what happens to a gallon milk jug filled with water when you hit it even with a .22 cal. bullet. Hitting one with a .357 is spectacular, especially if you use colored water (blood red for preference.)

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Bill R.


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Posted 22 March 2012 - 08:11 PM

@ billyraybob,

First let me WELCOME you to BC!!, I hope that you enjoy your time here!!
there's alot of fine folks here!

Second your handle reminds me of what my daughter-in-Law won't let anybody call my oldest grandson... :lol: :lol:

Third, your RAT story reminds me of when I was a very little girl...
My father worked for a dairy farmer,our house was on the farm,a RAT had gotten into the house....

Now my father had been an ammunition's expert when he was in the service(Air Force) and knew his way around guns very well, He was also a crack shot....now back to that RAT...

My father had come in for breakfast and saw that varmit behind the kitchen trash can...my mother started screamin...it's a rat!! it's a rat!!!....my father went and got his pistol...told my mother to settle down,
they sat quietly in the kitchen, as my father ate his breakfast, he kept a watchful eye on that trash can...
out of the corner of his eye he saw something shining...he very quietly and quickly picked up that pistol and shot...hit his mark....as he went to inspect his now dead varmit..he discovered that it wasn't a rat at all...

Apparently one of my little sock's that had eyes on the toes, had fallen behind that trash can and now was dead... :lol:

He did eventually get that RAT, but not hefore my mother woke up one mornin with that RAT starein at her on my father's pillow... :o :lol:

MissPlaced

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 08:54 PM

I almost shot a boy once. that was it for me... we can never be " THAT " careful

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Posted 23 March 2012 - 11:34 PM

Ive never even come close to shooting anyone by accident-I am extremely careful with my guns. Even the one I carry for self protection, I dont keep a round in the chamber, theres really no need-for all those people who "insist" that they need a round in the chamber, it only takes me a half second longer to chamber a round, and that half second gives me enough time to be sure of my target that theres no kid in the background that I might accidently hit. I go out shooting at least once a month, to make sure Im proficient, and I always follow three rules-#1 always assume the guns loaded #2 Never point a gun at anything you dont want to destroy and #3 never put a round in the chamber until ready to fire. If you were to follow those three rules, then the chances of an accident is slim to none.
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