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Oh, yes, I did forget that it's b/c of the shaky hard drive that it's not advisable to use enclosure connected only by usb--sorry, you told me that before. My mind's mush right now. From the controller info I added to earlier post, could you determine if both cd/dvd bays had separate ide connections, and could I use one of those for second hard drive, or is it a joined thing like the double hard drive ide cables? Or is that a whole different kind of connection than hard drive needs?
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Posted 29 August 2011 - 09:12 PM
It is normal for older computers to have two IDE sockets, so you can connect a maximum of 2 IDE ribbon cables. Each of those ribbon cables can support a maximum of two devices.
Re: your two CD drives
So, you would have one IDE ribbon cable with both CD-ROM drives attached to the one ribbon cable.
Re: your two CD drives
So, you would have one IDE ribbon cable with both CD-ROM drives attached to the one ribbon cable.
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Posted 29 August 2011 - 09:20 PM
ok, I was afraid of that...and I suspose a portable cd/dvd drive attached to usb port on pc wouldn't help any...I don't currently have one, but know they're cheap.
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Posted 29 August 2011 - 09:23 PM
Forget that last post....realized how stupid it was right aft hitting post. Ok, I have to go find my brain now. Will check back later.
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Posted 29 August 2011 - 09:23 PM
No, it would not help: Your old computer is not going to be able to boot from anything USB ... including a USB CD-ROM drive!
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Posted 29 August 2011 - 09:25 PM
No worries! I understand.
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Posted 29 August 2011 - 09:54 PM
'No worries,' I wondered if Austrailians really said that, or if made up by Outback Steakhouse!
Ok, so I need each hard drive to have dedicated ide connection, and that's why my dvd drives won't help, is that right? And the computer won't be able to boot up with the (possibly) working, XP-loaded hard drive sometime in clone process either? Nor can I use a bootable floppy? Am I even remotely close to grasping the problem yet?
Ok, so I need each hard drive to have dedicated ide connection, and that's why my dvd drives won't help, is that right? And the computer won't be able to boot up with the (possibly) working, XP-loaded hard drive sometime in clone process either? Nor can I use a bootable floppy? Am I even remotely close to grasping the problem yet?
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Posted 29 August 2011 - 09:59 PM
For Cogs10 post--thanks for info on WD jumper--but first we have other problems to solve. No, didn't seem like either cable to old hard drive came off easily at all. Bios selections on these old HP/Compaq Presarios are few and far between. About positive no USB choices there...right now I have blank hard drive hooked up on 'sick' computer.
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Posted 29 August 2011 - 10:01 PM
"No worries" is as dinky-di and true-blue as I am!
You said: "Ok, so I need each hard drive to have dedicated ide connection, and that's why my dvd drives won't help, is that right?"
Correct.
You said: "And the computer won't be able to boot up with the (possibly) working, XP-loaded hard drive sometime in clone process either?"
No .... but that's a strange question?
You said: "Nor can I use a bootable floppy?"
Unfortunately, that is not useful in this instance.
You said: "Am I even remotely close to grasping the problem yet?"
So far, so good!
You said: "Ok, so I need each hard drive to have dedicated ide connection, and that's why my dvd drives won't help, is that right?"
Correct.
You said: "And the computer won't be able to boot up with the (possibly) working, XP-loaded hard drive sometime in clone process either?"
No .... but that's a strange question?
You said: "Nor can I use a bootable floppy?"
Unfortunately, that is not useful in this instance.
You said: "Am I even remotely close to grasping the problem yet?"
So far, so good!
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Posted 29 August 2011 - 10:07 PM
Do you want to give it a try with both hard drives attached to the same IDE ribbon cable? ... failing a viable alternative fitting the "best possible" hardware arrangement.
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Posted 29 August 2011 - 10:08 PM
On the strange question, was wondering why we needed another method to boot up when we had one drive bootable. Well, this will prove that I didn't do my homework yet, I bet, but was hoping we could begin clone process w/a working, xp-loaded hard drive. I was thinking the boot problem wd be for the cloned hard drive, and at that point we wouldn't need our original hard drive there anymore, so wd have our cd bay available for bootable cd. I know, you're going to say I need to read manual on cloning now.
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Posted 29 August 2011 - 10:12 PM
Yes, I'm thinking I have little to lose, and probably should try both hard drives attached to same ide ribbon--this will be after I read the 'how to' on cloning. Assuming everything is the same, wd it be better to have one hard drive share ribbon w/cd drive, rather than both hard drives on same ribbon. (I don't even know if that's possible, of course.)
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Posted 29 August 2011 - 10:18 PM
No, you have done your homework by the look of it. That would be one way of going about the process.
The biggest drawback with that idea ... well, there might be two? ...
Basically, what we are trying to do is to not use the "ailing" hard drive at all ... except for the cloning itself ... in order to avoid the possibility of the hard drive failing completely and losing any chance of recovery the data from it.
The chance of this happening is ... well, your guess is as good as mine. Are you willing to take the risk?
The biggest drawback with that idea ... well, there might be two? ...
- The XP system has to boot once more ...
- If/When XP starts successfully, you would need to install the Acronis/WD software, set up the cloning configuration and then re-start the computer to do the cloning without Windows running this time.
Basically, what we are trying to do is to not use the "ailing" hard drive at all ... except for the cloning itself ... in order to avoid the possibility of the hard drive failing completely and losing any chance of recovery the data from it.
The chance of this happening is ... well, your guess is as good as mine. Are you willing to take the risk?
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Posted 29 August 2011 - 10:22 PM
was wondering why you needed 2 cd/dvd drives, or is there just room for 2, and you only have one attached?
if you have 2 cd/dvd drives, you could take one out if you needed the space for the new harddrive. just change the bios to reflect only one cd/dvd. also, yes, you'll be hooking the 2 harddrives to the same cable, but you'll have to change the jumpers to reflect their locations on the cable.
if you have 2 cd/dvd drives, you could take one out if you needed the space for the new harddrive. just change the bios to reflect only one cd/dvd. also, yes, you'll be hooking the 2 harddrives to the same cable, but you'll have to change the jumpers to reflect their locations on the cable.
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Posted 29 August 2011 - 10:26 PM
My suggestion:
You said: "it be better to have one hard drive share ribbon w/cd drive"
No, I don't think so, when you are running Acronis from a CD. Besides that, it would involve you in dismantling a lot of ailing computer in an attempt to retrieve the second ribbon cable, which by the sound of it is tucked up somewhere out of sight. It might be a good idea if you were going to install Acronis on the XP system and then run the cloning from there, because you wouldn't need a CD-ROM drive at all then.
- Install Acronis/WD software on a working computer, and then create the bootable Acronis CD.
- Attach both HDDs to the one IDE ribbon cable of the ailing computer.
- Boot the ailing computer with the Acronis CD and clone the ailing HDD to the new HDD.
You said: "it be better to have one hard drive share ribbon w/cd drive"
No, I don't think so, when you are running Acronis from a CD. Besides that, it would involve you in dismantling a lot of ailing computer in an attempt to retrieve the second ribbon cable, which by the sound of it is tucked up somewhere out of sight. It might be a good idea if you were going to install Acronis on the XP system and then run the cloning from there, because you wouldn't need a CD-ROM drive at all then.
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