BleepingComputer.com: Drunk Driving

-lora would you mind clarifying this a little for me,.....because what i'm reading is that
Dr.King Felt that this is what OUR LORD was saying to him?? Is that right??-

I don't know why you're asking me this..but yes, that's what I said..If you care to go back and reread my post - because that is what "he" said. You can hear it in the link you posted from Utube or you can read it on wiki and various other sites. Yes, that is what the man clearly said.

- after a little research, i think what you're talking about is Dr.Kings speech about the vietnam wae
is that right?? -

Yes, I believe that to be correct.

Lora, what makes you seem to think that GOD has given up on us as a nation??
I don't think HE has at all.

It's us as a nation that has given up on him.

@ lora777,
I've often spoken these words to my brother's, my middle brother finally heard me,
the wild card still can't hear me...

~~~Aces~~~

The sole reason that I post these stories from my life is simply this, maybe somebody else
is going to be able to use this to help themselves or somebody else.
Alcolholism is no joking matter every life that it touches leaves a trail of pain and destruction.

lora777,i think we've dragged this subject way off topic, and so i'll apologise for
that.
I've taken some time to chew on this, and I think we both know how we feel about
this subject, so there's no need to discuss it further.

RESPECTFULLY

MissPlaced

This post has been edited by MissPlaced: 07 January 2012 - 11:24 PM

Or...you could start a Rag on your Family thread so "we" wouldn't be hijacking this one any longer.

Yes, I totally agree, we have hashed this one out long enough.

Have a great night.

I have just joined after running into this forum many times during random search queries. Happy to see that there are real people talking about real things. I think it is pretty simple. First, If you are a minor under the care of your parents, you have to real right to independent decision making and those things that happen to you and by you should be the responsibility of your parents. I know that in an age of not keeping score at soccer games and coddling kids to the point of creating a generation of mush and liberal attitude of its all equal in the big picture this is not popular thinking but maybe if it was, potential parents would have more to think about than the adoptive parents of a pet from the ASPCA (At least to have a pet you have to pass an interview). I take full and complete responsibility for my children's actions. If I am willing to rot in prison for killing the guy who hurt my daughter I should be just as willing to rot in prison because I didn't raise her right and she ran over a guy under the influence of Meth. Either way I am committed based on my choices and must bear the consequences. Why is this relevant to a guy who died in a drunk driving accident? I am getting there. That covers minors and in some way all the whiny self serving parents who have decided that their lives should not include true love, selflessness and commitment to their minor children.

Now let's discuss 18+. You are now an adult. This means that whether you are changing tires at Pep Boys or working to simultaneously get a 3.96GPA in under-grad while setting the beer pong record at some IVY league school, you need to realize one thing very clearly. You are now a legal adult and responsible for yourself and ALL of your actions. You kill somebody and your ass needs to go to prison. You get busted for anything and you need to do the time. Don't call mom to bail you out and if you happen to be famous, don't appeal for leniency because you are in some way impaired, righted, or above the laws that our country has applied to all sane humans. Just suck it up and take your licks. And herein lies the biggest problem. What logic most people apply to right and wrong is in flux. It is swayed and altered by so many different influences. Are they popular.? Were they predisposed? Were they depressed, drunk, addicted, lost, confused, angry, sad, misdirected, impaired, etc, etc. It does not matter. If they are 18 or older and they screwed up it is their fault. Not mine, not yours, not society's. It is theirs. PERIOD. And as far as this crap about God choosing to take somebody and it being their time? What a load of horse manure. (I don't know if profanity is allowed) There are a few things that virtually every type of faith have in common. Selflessness, responsibility, servitude, sense of group, value of human life.

Will somebody please tell me how getting wasted and jumping in a 2 ton missile aimed at other human beings fits and values of any faith, value, moral, or molecule of common sense.

He died because he chose to take the shortest road to manufactured bliss with no regard for any other human being and it ended badly.

Unfortunatly, the drunk is rarely the one who gets killed-they often live through the crash (many doctors think its cuz their so relaxed) its usually the people they hit that gets killed. If it was just them, I wouldn't care so much-its their lives, they can screw themselves up if they want, its the fact they affect others, often moreso then their own, that irks me.

@ willmakerain,
another thought provoking post....
I see your point here,but i must agree/disagree to a point, let me explain....
I'm the oldest of 5 children, the one next is line is my brother "The Wild Card", now we were all raised the same way,but no matter
what the wild card always danced to his own tune,he was always doin something he shouldn't, not because he wasn't taught better,it's just a quirk( for lack of a better word) in his character, example: what kid eats toad stools, get's his stomache pumped, and then does it 2 more time,and add a 3rd time for ingesting heart pills ( found in an old medicine cabinet in the basement of friends of our parents....most kids the st time would have been enough...not the wild card....despite the fact that our parent's had taught us all not to do that kinda stuff....my Daddy used to say "poor kid, he just keeps runnin headlong into the same brick wall hopein for different results this time"
Did that mean that Our Father didn't decipline him for these actions...nope! one swing from that man's belt could drop your hind parts on the floor with a quickness
willmakerain,if as you suggest, parent's should be jailed for the action's of minor children, i don't agree with...lets say you have a 16 year old, who was out with friends and decided even tho being taught better to get 3 sheets in the wind and drive, causing an accident...now by the measure that your using, you your wife are going to jail, the rest of your minor children are placed in foster care, in effect your family has been destroyed....I think you can see my point here....better that the child reap the consequences of their own actions, how else are they ever gonna learn...
growing up I knew that 1) my daddy loved me..2)if i ever lied to him GOD Help me!..3) no matter what i had done, if i was honest with him about it, even tho he hated what i had done, he would help me to get it straightened out( i didn't drink and drive...but we all eventually or at least most of us have to find out for ourselves what it's all about.. I did drink as a teenager, i got so lite once that when my daddy walked into the door of that bar, i thought that guy looks familiar...I didn't reconize my own daddy )but that's a story for another day...
when my son went to college eventually he had to find out for himself as well, i had told him 2 things before he left for college....don't come home pregnant and stay away from frat hazings....well he didn't come home pregnant....but he did find out for himself what drinkin was all about...he didn't drink and drive either, but he did do some pretty foolish things...we all have to learn this lesson on our own I think...
is it GODS will that some poor soul's journey is ended early because somebody chose to drink and drive..nope!( and no profanity isn't allowed on this board, so "horse Manure". Road apples, meadow muffins are all appropiate )....the long and short of that is GOD gave us all free will...the effort's of the drunks family sometimes just aren't enough...i heard these lyrics in a song just the other day and I think there appropiate here....."sometimes i think it get's quiet in heaven, God cries when an angel's hands are tied"....

RESPECTFULLY

MissPlaced

I have to agree with MissPlaced on this one. Some kids go bad or do some bad things, no matter how well the parents raise them... When kids get to a certain age you can't be with them at all times and they can make a stupid decision for whatever reason and get into trouble. If they don't suffer the consequences themselves, there is no lesson learned and no reason to change the behavior.

I cannot help but wonder just how insane I must be for throwing my two cents out here but until I stop getting a server reset error whenever I try to finish posting my logs I've got some time to kill. I wouldn't say that the drunk driving issue is near and dear to me but given the rate of drunk drivers where I am I'm sure it will be sooner rather than later. First, just for the sake of everyone's sanity, I am going to leave matters of faith out of this. It seems to get a little bloody in the forums when any of that is brought up. Surely there are fundamentals that we can all agree on regardless of personal faith.

As mentioned before the rate of drunk drivers where I am (New Mexico, USA) is pretty high. In fact the fatality rate regarding DUI/DWI wrecks has been twice as high as the national average for almost the entire existence of the state. It's become a joke here in many ways. Judges, lawyers, politicians, and even police in marked vehicles have not only been pulled over but have been involved in an insane number of accidents due to drunk driving. Many, I'd wager as high as ninety percent, just go about their lives as though nothing happened. There was a recent case where the politician involved had hit and killed a pedestrian only to blame the dead man for the incident. Just about every day I read news of some one(s) dying in a car wreck due to a drunk driver. National news has reported guys here in New Mexico who have been arrested fourteen times for DWIs but the numbers are far worse than that. Recently I read of a man having been arrested for his twenty eighth. Guess what? He's back out on the streets and he'll be in another car quicker than you could scream "No!" My small town paper is littered with incident reports and some folks have even written letters to the editor trying to defend the drunk drivers as having no other choice than to drive after spending an afternoon and evening in the bars. The fact that drive-thru sales were banned is still a shock to many here. The Walgreens drugstore that's not even a mile away from my home is listed as the number one Walgreens west of the Mississippi for all alcohol sales on Fridays and Saturdays. Thrilling.

My thoughts? A rather militant part of me thinks that drunk drivers should be charged with attempted murder when caught on populated roads and flat murder when they kill someone. When someone drinks then drives they have made a choice and not a choice made in ignorance. We all know what happens when a drunk gets on the road and, flatly, I have no sympathy. I say this as a woman who DOES drink but takes a cab to a friends house, stays at a hotel or in the back of my jeep with my keys safely kept by security.

This is why I have no tolerance and no sympathy for impaired drivers. A family outing to see the Blue Angels perform turned into tragedy yesterday for one family.

Man charged in car accident that killed young girl after air show

Published: Sunday, April 1, 2012 at 10:42 a.m.
Last Modified: Sunday, April 1, 2012 at 10:42 a.m.

"A 7-year-old girl was killed Saturday after being hit by a truck in Northport following the air show. The driver of the truck, Danny Ray Smith, was arrested by Northport police for driving under the influence, and has also been charged with vehicular homicide, leaving the scene of an accident with injuries and two counts of assault 1st degree.

A 28-year-old mother, her 7-year-old daughter and 2-year-old child were walking on the shoulder of 5th Street in Northport near Kentuck Park after the air show at 4:26 p.m. Saturday when a black 2008 GMC Sierra pickup struck the mother and her children.

The vehicle continued on for approximately 100 to 200 yards and stopped. The driver walked back to where the victims were and then returned to his truck. Northport Police Officers arrived on the scene and stopped the driver of the truck.

The victims were transported to DCH. The 7-year-old female died at the hospital. The mother is currently in ICU at DCH and the 2-year-old child is being transported to Children's Hospital for treatment."

When a child is transferred from DCH to Children's Hospital in Birmingham it means only one thing: the child is in very critical condition, which the initial report of the incident yesterday stated was the condition of the child.

A family is grieving the loss of a child at the same time they are worried about the other 2 victims. Mr. Smith made a choice to drive while drunk and it is because of him the family is suffering right now.

Danny Ray Smith is currently in the county jailed charged with

2 counts 1st degree assault
1 count of driving under the influence
1 count of vehicular homicide
1 count leaving the scene of an accident wih injuries

Bond total is $106,000 which I think is to low. He probably won't have trouble coming up with the money to get him out of jail because he is the owner of Dixie Air and a realty/construction firm which are both successful business.

This post has been edited by Queen-Evie: 01 April 2012 - 11:38 AM

UPDATE:

From today's local paper
http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/article/20120403/NEWS/120409960/1007?Title=Hospital-to-release-3-year-old-girl-hurt-in-fatality

"A 3-year-old girl who was among four people hit by a drunken driver after the Tuscaloosa Air Show Saturday was expected to be released from Children's Hospital in Birmingham on Monday, police said."

"The mother was in stable condition at DCH Regional Medical Center Monday afternoon, said Tuscaloosa County Metro Homicide Unit commander Capt. Loyd Baker."

"Medical staff initially suspected that the 3-year-old's spine had been injured, but tests indicated that it was fine, Baker said. A first-degree assault charge against Smith was downgraded Monday to third-degree assault when it was determined that her injuries were less serious."

"Court records indicate that Smith had previously been charged with drunken driving and reckless driving in 1981, after test results showed a .14 percent blood alcohol level. The officer who wrote that report included the fact that Smith “told officer to go to hell."

Smith pleaded guilty to that drunken driving charge, paid a fine and attended classes, according to court documents. The reckless driving charge was dismissed."

In addition to the previous charge, when penalties for DUI were not as severe as they are today, in 1994 Mr.Smith's son was driving a car that crashed, killing the son and a passenger. Evidence showed the son was intoxicated at the time.

Mr. Smith was well aware of what could happen, yet he made the choice to drive while impaired.

This post has been edited by Queen-Evie: 03 April 2012 - 08:52 AM

Looks like the fruit didn't fall far from the tree, that's a crying shame