An Observation On Ufo's

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An Observation On Ufo's

#31 kharlowe

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Posted 12 January 2006 - 01:09 PM

It occurs to me that what is in question here is not whether or not UFOs are “real,” which involves an ontological discussion, but their source. This question usually elicits responses from one of two types of peoples—the true believer, who wants to believe the source is extraterrestrial; and the doubter, who finds the whole idea repulsive because it’s so intellectually untidy.
These strike me more as aesthetic judgments than anything else, and I admit to some conflict here: I want to believe “they” are out there, if only to know there’s something better than us; but I do find the notion of little green men difficult to swallow.
So, what I find a useful tool in such circumstances is to haul out my Vulcan ears (a bit moldy by now, left over from an early Star Trek convention) and apply some logic; if science is our best tool (I believe it is) we should simply ask of a phenomenon is possible or not?
Ghosts, for example. The idea of the spirits (an unproven concept to begin with) returning from the dead only violates a couple dozen laws; we can thus assign this to the impossible category. Sure, people see things they call ghosts, but they’re not dead people in ectoplasmic form. Google something called the poltergeist machine for one explanation.
Ok, so can anyone think of a natural law that is violated by the concept of extraterrestrial life? I can’t.
Given that, is there anything prohibiting extraterrestrials from visiting Earth, as we recently did with Mars, for example? I can’t think of any know laws that would be violated. (Yes, I know the closest object outside the solar system is 4 light years away; but, if your lifespan is long enough, you wouldn’t need to travel at the speed of light to get here, would you?)
So, if the concept of aliens existing and visiting Earth is within the realm of possibility, it seems we are only arguing probability; and that’s where the evidence comes into play. And I remain unimpressed by 90% of it. The term UFO stands for unidentified flying object. An object has the characteristics of something that exists in real time, has mass, weight, dimensions in three axes. Most evidence consists of lights in the sky, or pictures or same; or blurred images of what could be an alien craft or could be the pencil holder on your desk; little proof that the subject is an object, much less unidentified, much less of alien origin.
The first stealth planes, for example, were reported as ufos because something shaped like that can’t fly.
The other 10%, however, is worthy of consideration as evidence of something exceedingly odd. A film crew (I think it was in Sao Paulo) was filming a commercial when the crew noted a bunch of people pointing to the sky. They turned the camera up and filmed. What they got was a picture of something that looked like a silver ball traveling slowly across an arc of about 90-100 degrees. It’s what it did while traversing the arc that is remarkable; I’ve read of this, but never seen it photographed—the freaking thing disappeared then reappeared. It went about 10-20 degrees, then just disappeared; a second later, it reappeared about 10-15 degrees away, heading on the same path at the same speed. It did this several times, the camera began shaking toward the end as the camera man no doubt became a bit freaked.
What’s extraordinary about this is that this wasn’t grainy, black and white footage, but nice, crisp, clear, 35mm film, filmed in broad daylight on a street of a large city. It was broadcast sometime mid 90s, and I still have the videotape, although I’d need to find it among the many piles.
My sense of this is that it is a legitimate phenomenon in need of an answer.
I’m curious how many of the rest of you see it this way.

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#32 computergaga69

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 08:51 PM

Well guys let me speak, please allow me to inform you that EARTH is not only the living planet here in our galaxy, Got to think that that earth is under one galaxy and one galaxies is under BIG one UNIVERSE, correct? So we cannot sure that the earth is alone and we are not the only one who are the living creatures here in the UNIVERSE, so lets just be open minded and see what happens in the future, if ever we meet some new creatures not from EARTh.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 06:54 PM

@computergaga69

Yes, BUT these are yet to be determined although I agree with you on this. The universe is too big for humanity alone..

"One galaxies"?

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 07:34 PM

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 08:27 PM

@black_icon. It's apparent with the various mutual topics you all participate in on the forums you're acquainted with each other. This however does not preclude you all from following the forum rules regarding courtesy to one another.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 03:42 PM

I don't doubt that some of the UFO sightings, are indeed UFOs, however, I would say the vast majority are faked, people seeing things (weird clouds or the whatnot) and the ones that people honestly see, well I doubt their origins-I severely doubt their extraterrestrial anything. Think about it, where are most UFO sightings? usually around a world power (USA, or say mexico) And as we know, world powers, like to dabble in top secret aircraft and experiments, which they dont tell anyone about. I would suspect most of the "actual" sightings of UFOs, they are really unidentified flying objects-flown by human test pilots all around the world, that no one but their respective governments know about.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 04:37 PM

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That could be the case. I find it more logical if aliens did visit us from the past. I mean, internet has a vast load of videos of claimed "sightings" I find them either a coincidence or as you said test aircrafts.

There are other mysteries in world I would point to aliens instead.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:15 PM

There are UFO's, I've been in one. Oh, you guys are talking about alien spacecraft. Heck, I've been in one of those too. :whistle:

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:44 PM

@ Sani-T-Capt1

I don't suppose you were abducted and they somehow left you a bracelet on you do you? love that movie by the way :clapping:

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 05:57 PM

They took the bracelet to leave me with no credible evidence. "It's true I tell ya, It's true." :alien:

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:00 PM

Aliens built the pyramids. Everybody knows that.

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 06:34 PM

@ myrti,

Do you have any proofs that Aliens built the pyramids? I'm not sure why you say that, unless you were with them when they're making the pyramid... :lol:

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 08:42 PM

its about as believable as most of the other junk politicians try to shove down our throats. . .

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 11:57 PM

Well, I also have beliefs in life but "to see is to believe" is heavier than "probably". Scientifically speaking, a conclusion to a certain experiment couldn't be formulated without testing the hypothesis by means of relevant data. Though I know for sure that science doesn't have an explanation on how it happened (the pyramid).

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 05:27 AM

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/pyramids/pyramids.html#who
http://www.catchpenny.org/howbuilt.html

This sounds as if one actually knows a great deal about who built the pyramids, how and why. Of course there's never going to be a definite proof that they were built one specific way as we will never get a witness giving a first hand testmony of how it happened. There's however plenty of proof that the pyramids built were based on the minds and labour of Egyptians, not Aliens

I was being sarcastic with my comment. The "aliens built the pyramids" theory is very popular around here and I wanted to see what reactions it would provoke. :wink: