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#1 fEaR iTsElF510

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 09:54 PM

Im building a computer for my senior project.....now im trying my best for AMD's Bulldozer to be released but i dont want to run the chip at its standard speed, i want to overclock it. I want the 8 core bulldozer and considering its AMD im hoping its somewhat affordable.Now since i want to overclock i need advanced cooling system. I would love to go with liquid cooling but i heard its expensive, does anyone have an estimate on how much it would cost for a complete system, and is it even worth it? My goal is to overclock it to 4 GHz, any suggestions on cooling systems if liquid turns out to be too expensive?

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 11:15 PM

I know people that have gotten 4 ghz overclocks off of current AMD chips using the coolermaster v10 and v8 cooling solutions, corsair has some nice liquid CPU waterblocks. . .the best ive seen is one by OCZ but it costs 400 dollars and the actual cooler sits outside of the case and is almost as big as a computer case. Why do you need to overclock? And even so, if your after just a CPU overclock, then thats all you need. If you decide liquid cooling is to much, I would get a nice roomy case with large sized fans combined with something like a Coolermaster v10 heatsink, and Ram with good heatspreaders like Patriot or Corsair. If you go for a CPU water block something like this should work nicely. I have a friend who has one of these-gets his Phenom II 940 up to 4 ghz on it.

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 11:34 PM

Wow, love the link you gave me, looks quick to set up, simple, and cost effective......great link looks perfect for my project!!

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Posted 03 February 2011 - 11:48 PM

Note though, it doesnt offer VGA or memory cooling-is that important to you? and if your after overclocking, look for a gigabyte or ASUS board-theyre often the best for overclocking. I prefer gigabyte-they have a 2 oz copper inner layer inside the mother that helps dissipate heat which helps the board last longer, theyre the only manufacturer that uses that much of a inner copper layer.

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 12:55 AM

Well my main reason for a fast cpu is i encode alot with as many dvds i burn, other than that i use my computer for watching movies and music and streaming it to my xbox via Tversity, so i dont see a need for VGA cooling, but is there a reason why i would use memory cooling?

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 01:57 AM

Depends on the style of overclocking-many enthusiasts like to overclock their ram as well. That is why a lot of the performance ram manufacturers like OCZ, Corsair, or Patriot include good sized heatfins on their memory modules. Dont have to overclock it either for that matter.

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 01:44 PM

If you plan to do alot of encoding you would be better off with a higher amount of cache then a higher clock speed.

Like for me I have a q9550 with 12mb cache and I can encode a a blu ray in about 30 mins.

My buddy has a similar rig but with a Core I5 that is pushing 3.8ghz yet the same blu ray takes his rig a little over an hour.

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 06:23 PM

Considering my current phenom II has 8 meg of cache, I suspect those bulldozer CPUs hes looking at will have far more so not an issue there, but ya I agree-with encoding, cache is more important then clock speed. Of course, seeing as that i5 of your friends is likely a dual core, if yours is a quad that would make a lot of difference as well. In any case the point is well made-clock speed isnt everything.

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 08:13 PM

His Core I5 is a quad also. As far as the AMD Bulldozer cpu's they max at 8mb cache. If it were me I would stick with an Intel unless cost was a major issue.

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 08:50 PM

kinda hard to know that since the bulldozer line hasnt been released yet nor the actual specs. . . in any case, I have seen some AMD chips do some amazing work with encoding, one would be unwise to rule them out simply becaue they dont have the intel brand name.

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 10:09 PM

I agree, my first amd build witch was a athlon xp was kicking p4 butt back in the day.

Anyways here is an little blurb about the Bulldozer Amd Bulldozer

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Posted 04 February 2011 - 10:22 PM

ya all kinds of stuff about it, but AMD has not yet officially released the specific specs on it, like cache size etc. Just enough to get people talking-and they are. It is supposed to be an outstanding CPU though.

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Posted 05 February 2011 - 12:47 AM

I really hope they are, because AMD is affordable and if i can get and 8 Core for 300 or less that would be nuts......the way they designed the chip is interesting as well.....im excited to see what it can do, lets all hope AMD dosent keep pushing it back so we can start playing with these chips as soon as we can.

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Posted 05 February 2011 - 07:59 AM

AMD 6 core processor are way cheaper then the Intel 6 core processor but my uncle has always told me this don't build a rig using AMD because they stuff up in about 1 or 2 year and they overheat which i strongly disagree with him. I told him that my aunties computer is running a Athlon 64 that has single core and it is still running strong without a problem or overheating problem although the case is small form factor.

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Posted 05 February 2011 - 01:39 PM

Older amd chips do run hot, but if properly cooled lasted forever. Amd has gotten a lot better about this over the years and they still have a tendency to run hotter then their intel counterparts however not hot enough to cause any damage, and with aftermarket cooling especially with whats being used here they will never overheat. Even the old athlon xps which earned amds reputation for running hot had no problems in a properly designed and built system.