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This Garbage really freaks us all out, Mate.

I hate these Scum of the Earth,but, they also have Rights. i honestly would challange those Rights, but then I would Honestly have to Challange all our Rights? It was just not work out, Mate. that is what Human Rights are all about. It would seem that Aussies have more than American?

even this monster deserved to die humanely....

It's not about what he deserved. (Frankly, he probably did deserve to die worse than he is scheduled for.) It's more about the standard we hold ourselves to. Same end, different reasons, but the "why" we execute and punish people like we do is more important to me than the "how."

I know it's a tiny distinction... But it makes a significant difference to me. I don't see a lot in black and white, but I think this is one of those things. We're moraled and principled people. In order to be that, we have to treat the bad guys with the same dignity as our allies. Even if they don't deserve it. It's not even about understanding that, "he had a mother, too," as was mentioned just a couple of posts ago.

It's like getting in a fight. Good guys will square off and let you know you're about to get stomped. We don't sucker punch and we don't stab you in the back when you turn away. When you ask for mercy and give up, we respect the request. It just boils down to, for me, the simple act of being a Good Guy.

We don't torture and execute people because we're "not them." And that's more important than the idea that we need to respect his rights, or understand the pain even a monster's family has. We live by a code, and this code isn't a set of "guidelines," so to speak. In order to be Good Guys, we can't stoop to their level... It has NOTHING to do with respecting them, or their rights. To me.

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Botched execution wins inmate reprieve10:44 AEST Sat Sep 19 2009.
Romell Broom, a Death Row inmate in the US, wants a reprieve after surviving an attempted execution.

A death row inmate who was the first to have survived an attempted lethal injection in the United States has been granted a reprieve by a federal judge.

Romell Broom's lawyer hopes to make the temporary restraining order permanent by appealing on the grounds that a second attempt violates constitutional protections against cruel and unusual punishment.

Executioners struggled for two hours last week to find a vein in which to administer the deadly dose before giving up after the state's governor issued a week-long reprieve.

"They were poking 18, 19, 20 times, they went into the arm, the leg, all over the place," Bloom's lawyer Timothy Sweeney said.

"He was trying to help them but it was incredibly painful to the point where he broke down and cried and was totally beaten down," Sweeney told AFP.

"He's always been a strong, stoic guy. No emotion. But this totally and thoroughly beat him up and broke him down."

The state of Ohio temporarily suspended the death penalty on two previous occasions after problems with finding suitable veins.

Both men were eventually executed but their obvious distress and the length of time it took forced the state to reevaluate its methods.

Ohio's statutes require that executions be "quick and painless".

"There is an argument in (Bloom's) case that he may not be executed by any means," Sweeney said.

"They tried and failed."

The only other person to have survived execution in the United States - a young black man named Willie Francis who survived a Louisiana electric chair - made the same argument to the Supreme Court in 1946 and lost 5-4.

Sweeney says he hopes that standards have evolved sufficiently since then to save Broom.

Broom, 53, was sentenced to die for the rape and murder of a teenage girl in 1984.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=865202

The mind boogles.

Moral of the story: Use illicit drugs that turn your veins to leather before committing a death penalty crime. That way that it hurts too much for the state to kill you and you can escape the fate of your victim. How disgusting is that, that we have more pity for a waste of human flesh than the innocent they killed. Not only a child rapist and murderer. But a known intravenous illegal drug user as well.

This is somebody that knows how to work the system to perfection.

I guess this never comes into play?

*quote*The phrase "an eye for an eye", Hebrew: עין תחת עין, ayin tahat ayin, is a quotation from Exodus 21:23–27 in which a person who has taken the eye of another in a fight is instructed to give his own eye in compensation. At the root of this principle is that one of the purposes of the law is to provide equitable retaliation for an offended party. It defined and restricted the extent of retaliation in the laws of the Old Testament (e.g., Ex 21:23–25, Lv 24:18–20, Dt 19:21).*quote*

Quote above from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_for_an_eye

I cannot fathom the concept that an entity such that piece of garbage rates more respect and so called dignity than his victims. Yes plural I do mean victimS, the child, the mother the rest of the family. How many lives are destroyed forever? Torture that piece of filth, an eye for an eye, for all I care. He's not worthy of being called human, to rate the 'civility' of us. Sometimes garbage is just that, garbage to be thrown out. Thats what he thought of that little girl, obviously when he brutally raped her and then took her life.

If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

Sometimes being 'the better man' is far too overrated in my humble opinion. It is my opinion that when you commit crimes such as he committed you forsake your rights as a human being. You lose your privileges of compassion and dignity, that the rest of humanity cherishes. It's a little thing called 'consequences' of your acts. Even a three year old knows what 'consequences' are. Why not apply them?

Soundbyte: "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."

The people within the Temple Hated Jesus and eventually killed Him.

I wonder Why? Even though when asked by them He, Jesus was quite emphatic in what He said, when they Tested Him. "I am not here to change the Scriptures, just to fullfil them."

There is not a single word written by Jesus found to this day. Yet Jesus is one of the most Famous Persons in History, Google it? Can someone actually show where He Actually agreed to "Eye for an Eye?"

This post has been edited by Abacus 7: 26 September 2009 - 07:24 AM

Eye for a eye is old testament,Jesus Christ new testament.Even so,if this had happened in Christ's time I cannot see him saying to a murdering paedophile,"Go and sin no more".I think he would have deferred to the render unto Caeser what is Caeser's clause.In other words let your own laws apply to this world.Wich in this case is death.

Did not Christ also say if anyone harm's one hair on a childs head it would be far better for that person if a millstone was hung around their neck and they were cast into the sea.Or words to that affect.I am going of memory here as I do not have a bible in front of me.

Hopefully this murdering paedo spends a eternity in hell ,wich if it has eternal flames as stated in the bible is a bit more harsh than a half cocked execution.Thats my two cents anyway.

Sorry? Jesus was never like that.

Can you show me once where He was in the New Testament?

I am sure much worthier People than me can attest to it? It never happened.

Jesus was not like that,like what.

Can you show me once where he was in the New Testament?,the New Testament is supposed to be about Christ,his times,his deeds etc.Old Testament was prior to Christs birth. Also in the New Testament it is about a new deal.Jewish people do not recognize the New Testament because they do not believe the Messiah has come yet.They believe in the old testament or Torah.So I am not sure what you are stating.

I am sure much worthier people than me can attest to it?It never happened.What never happened.Jesus did not exist or what.If you are taking a Atheist stance then why bother quoting scripture at all.

Can I say it much slower for you, Mate?

Aussies speak a bit faster than most people. Sorry about that.

Now about Jesus Christ?

He was just a Bloke, just average, like me.

Anyone that knows Him knows that.

Jesus Christ was Killed by the Jews because they never understood Him, Millions of others have.

Jesus Christ had no real Bad words about anyone. One of His Decipiles was actually a Tax Collector, Jesus was a Smart Dude, Mate.

If Jesus Christ was alive today, He would be treated as a Whacko in America, probably make more money than "Whacko Jacko". All without laying a Hand on a Miracle.

How things change over the years?

This post has been edited by Abacus 7: 26 September 2009 - 11:40 AM

You state one of Jesus friends was a tax collector.We are not discussing executing a tax collector.I am sure the majority of tax collectors are ordinary decent people that do not rape and murder children.

Jesus is attributed to stating if anyone harms a hair of one of these little ones head it would be far better for that person if a millstone was hung around his neck and cast into the sea.

I am not going around in circles scoring points.Obviously you are anti execution and I am pro.So no one is budging there.But I am tired of people going soft on crime.Tell it to Gary Newlove who was kicked to death for telling of some drunken youths who damaged his wifes car.With good behavior they will be out in ten years.

You know?

If you involve Jesus Christ, always do it nicely?

He actually Paid with His Life.

As we all know now, it was just a Waste of Time to most of the World, except for a few million people.

This post has been edited by Abacus 7: 26 September 2009 - 12:00 PM

@ cod head.....
I think these might be the "verses" that you were lookin for

Mark,10:14
Mark,9:42
Luke,17:1&2

Now as to the subject matter of this thread....
in 1 Corithians...Chapter 5

Paul is tellin the church in corinith, that they have made a grave error in continuin to have anythange to do with a known man that was commiting sexual immorality* in this particular case incest*( but sexual immorality is sexual immorality!)
The church in corinith is instructed to have nothin to do with this man...to leave him to suffer the consequences of his own action's.

This subject has been botherin me for a lil while now...so i decided to do my homework.....

A very big part of me say's..so he's sufferin so what!!....so he was in pain and cried....so what!!
how much pain did that precious little girl suffer at his hands in order to satisfy his disgustin lust....
How many tears did she shed as she endured this maggot's attack!!!
after the states botched attempt to carry out his exacution...they should have just pulled a gun and blew his fool brain's out!!!

As thoughtful carin human beins, we should never stoop to the level of maggot's like this.....
BUT there are consequences for ones own action's...may he suffer them !

We all seem to Forget Jesus' Words?

Maggots like this Face His Father.

So be it.

The millstone verse (Mark 9:42 [NIV] "And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck.") speaks more to spiritual indoctrination. People who would change the opinions of kids away from belief with every shift in politics and doctrine. But it can also be interpreted to include physical abuse, as well as the spiritual abuse.

Found a great essay from Religion Online about the millstone lesson, too. Read it here. But I'll post the last paragraph, which I think is especially important here (bold emphasis mine):

The calculus of revenge seems too complicated! There must be some other equation, or no hope will remain for any of us. And, indeed, the New Testament seems to hint at another equation when Paul says that God has imprisoned all human beings in disobedience in order that he might have mercy upon all (Rom. 11:32) Does this level the playing field totally, so that all humans become equally guilty of sin, thereby washing away the force of Jesus’ threats against those who abuse and murder children? No. Those threats must still represent a truth, a "word before the last word," as Bonhoeffer puts it -- a word that is terrible for the abusers and terrible for us to the extent that we participate in the "little murders" that punctuate daily life. But they cannot represent the final word, because the same Jesus who in Mark 9 says that it would be better if child abusers had never been born, in Mark 10 points to his own abused body as a sign of hope for all.

We can't be bent on revenge like this. For starters, it's not our place, and the thirst for revenge corrupts us as thoroughly as the people we are supposed to be punishing. It leads to a dangerous form of false righteousness and zealotry, trying to punish everything we see as a sin in progressively worse ways. It starts with "eye for an eye" and child molesters, but it won't be long before we start taking vengeance on those who commit lesser sins.

The path of revenge and vengeance is not one Christ taught us to walk.