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Do you have the mother board layout diagram, if so short the BIOS jumper to reset it that may help. If not you may have a toast MB!
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 02:55 PM
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 03:41 PM
joseibarra, on May 30 2009, 02:48 PM, said:
Yes - no beeps is sad news (see - that narrowed it down quite a bit).
Has anything unusual happened since the last time it worked?
You will not have a separate video card if you are using the built in video off the motherboard. Folks with higher end video desires may purchase a separate card.
Anywho, no beeps is not good. You have power obviously, so if it was me, I would unplug it from the wall, unplug all the hard disks, DVDs, CDs, printers, keyboard, mouse. You will have pay attention so you can hook it back up later or maybe take a digital pic of things, but there shouldn't be that much.
If you have a separate video card, reseat it (take it out and put it back). Reseat the RAM.
Just leave the monitor plugged into the video port. Everything else unplugged (RAM is in).
Now, when you power up if you don't hear some beep(s) or see any video (are you seeing any video at all now?) then I would think a power supply, motherboard or CPU.
You need to see something on the screen even with everything unplugged to know if your BIOS (which is just a program) is even starting at all. It will complain, but you should see something. Then start hooking things back up one at a time until it fails (power off of course). When it fails on the next power up, the last thing you hooked up is your problem.
Power supplies are inexpensive. It is more trouble for me to go get one than it is to replace one.
Has anything unusual happened since the last time it worked?
You will not have a separate video card if you are using the built in video off the motherboard. Folks with higher end video desires may purchase a separate card.
Anywho, no beeps is not good. You have power obviously, so if it was me, I would unplug it from the wall, unplug all the hard disks, DVDs, CDs, printers, keyboard, mouse. You will have pay attention so you can hook it back up later or maybe take a digital pic of things, but there shouldn't be that much.
If you have a separate video card, reseat it (take it out and put it back). Reseat the RAM.
Just leave the monitor plugged into the video port. Everything else unplugged (RAM is in).
Now, when you power up if you don't hear some beep(s) or see any video (are you seeing any video at all now?) then I would think a power supply, motherboard or CPU.
You need to see something on the screen even with everything unplugged to know if your BIOS (which is just a program) is even starting at all. It will complain, but you should see something. Then start hooking things back up one at a time until it fails (power off of course). When it fails on the next power up, the last thing you hooked up is your problem.
Power supplies are inexpensive. It is more trouble for me to go get one than it is to replace one.
i discconected all wires and checked the cpu. Looked fine. No over heated scars or anything. Im thinkng it might be the power supply. Can a pc still turn on with short power? I opened up the power supply and it looked ok just saw some areas witth something white over them. Looks like a melt of glue or cocking. It is not hot or dripping. Just stiff. I dont know if it is normal or if it over heated.
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 04:14 PM
Do you have a Volt/ohm meter? If not run to Radio Shack $9.95 will get you one, you can leave the board plug out and check for current. Below is a link with the values, all must be Ok or one thing or another will not work!
http://pinouts.ru/Power/atxpower_pinout.shtml
http://pinouts.ru/Power/atxpower_pinout.shtml
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 05:09 PM
OldPhil, on May 30 2009, 04:14 PM, said:
Do you have a Volt/ohm meter? If not run to Radio Shack $9.95 will get you one, you can leave the board plug out and check for current. Below is a link with the values, all must be Ok or one thing or another will not work!
http://pinouts.ru/Power/atxpower_pinout.shtml
http://pinouts.ru/Power/atxpower_pinout.shtml
I switched out the power supply with another xp I have. Same reaction. Turns on but no loading. So that marks two off. The power supply and cpu is fine. Im thinking it could be the motherboard now. Ummm. Im gonna go see If radio shack has the volt and check it up.
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 07:45 PM
Hugh, I wouldn't waste the money going to Radio Shack. If you swapped out the power supply with another power supply and got the same thing, then the power supply is NOT the cause of the problem.
Try what OldPhil said and clear the BIOS by setting the BIOS jumper properly then setting it back. But, you need the mobo schematic to do that, or it may be marked on the mobo itself.
As I said 3 or 4 posts ago, I'll bet your motherboard is gone, dude. That's about a 98% certainty if you've done everything that has been suggested in the previous posts.
You've ruled out everything but the CPU (which cannot be ruled out by looking at it) and the motherboard. My bet is the motherboard. Unfortunately, it happens. You can waste a lot of time and money trying to figure out what happened to it, but here's what I'd suggest you do:
Take your hard drive out of this computer and install it as a secondary drive in the other XP machine that you have. Save your data that way, until you can find a replacement computer.
Finding that specific motherboard can be hard to find (from a reputable dealer) and will almost certainly run you anywhere from $175-$300. Then, once you have it, you have to move the CPU from the dead one to the new one and HOPE, HOPE, HOPE that it wasn't the CPU that was actually causing the issue (because about the only way for the average person to test a CPU is by replacing the CPU). By the time you're done with it, you've spent lots of money and time.
You could spend the higher side of what the motherboard is going to cost and get an entire refurbished computer from TigerDirect.com. They have them all the time for anywhere between $250-$500. Then the only thing you have to do is take your old hard drive and install it in the new computer.
As I said, this is what I'd do in your place. You've ruled out everything but the mobo and cpu. There's no real way to test a cpu that I know of unless you have a cpu tester for that specific socketed cpu (which costs as much as a computer all by itself). The mobo is your most likely culprit here by far. Sorry for the bad news, Hugh.
Try what OldPhil said and clear the BIOS by setting the BIOS jumper properly then setting it back. But, you need the mobo schematic to do that, or it may be marked on the mobo itself.
As I said 3 or 4 posts ago, I'll bet your motherboard is gone, dude. That's about a 98% certainty if you've done everything that has been suggested in the previous posts.
You've ruled out everything but the CPU (which cannot be ruled out by looking at it) and the motherboard. My bet is the motherboard. Unfortunately, it happens. You can waste a lot of time and money trying to figure out what happened to it, but here's what I'd suggest you do:
Take your hard drive out of this computer and install it as a secondary drive in the other XP machine that you have. Save your data that way, until you can find a replacement computer.
Finding that specific motherboard can be hard to find (from a reputable dealer) and will almost certainly run you anywhere from $175-$300. Then, once you have it, you have to move the CPU from the dead one to the new one and HOPE, HOPE, HOPE that it wasn't the CPU that was actually causing the issue (because about the only way for the average person to test a CPU is by replacing the CPU). By the time you're done with it, you've spent lots of money and time.
You could spend the higher side of what the motherboard is going to cost and get an entire refurbished computer from TigerDirect.com. They have them all the time for anywhere between $250-$500. Then the only thing you have to do is take your old hard drive and install it in the new computer.
As I said, this is what I'd do in your place. You've ruled out everything but the mobo and cpu. There's no real way to test a cpu that I know of unless you have a cpu tester for that specific socketed cpu (which costs as much as a computer all by itself). The mobo is your most likely culprit here by far. Sorry for the bad news, Hugh.
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 07:50 PM
possumbarnes, on May 30 2009, 07:45 PM, said:
Hugh, I wouldn't waste the money going to Radio Shack. If you swapped out the power supply with another power supply and got the same thing, then the power supply is NOT the cause of the problem.
Try what OldPhil said and clear the BIOS by setting the BIOS jumper properly then setting it back. But, you need the mobo schematic to do that, or it may be marked on the mobo itself.
As I said 3 or 4 posts ago, I'll bet your motherboard is gone, dude. That's about a 98% certainty if you've done everything that has been suggested in the previous posts.
You've ruled out everything but the CPU (which cannot be ruled out by looking at it) and the motherboard. My bet is the motherboard. Unfortunately, it happens. You can waste a lot of time and money trying to figure out what happened to it, but here's what I'd suggest you do:
Take your hard drive out of this computer and install it as a secondary drive in the other XP machine that you have. Save your data that way, until you can find a replacement computer.
Finding that specific motherboard can be hard to find (from a reputable dealer) and will almost certainly run you anywhere from $175-$300. Then, once you have it, you have to move the CPU from the dead one to the new one and HOPE, HOPE, HOPE that it wasn't the CPU that was actually causing the issue (because about the only way for the average person to test a CPU is by replacing the CPU). By the time you're done with it, you've spent lots of money and time.
You could spend the higher side of what the motherboard is going to cost and get an entire refurbished computer from TigerDirect.com. They have them all the time for anywhere between $250-$500. Then the only thing you have to do is take your old hard drive and install it in the new computer.
As I said, this is what I'd do in your place. You've ruled out everything but the mobo and cpu. There's no real way to test a cpu that I know of unless you have a cpu tester for that specific socketed cpu (which costs as much as a computer all by itself). The mobo is your most likely culprit here by far. Sorry for the bad news, Hugh.
Try what OldPhil said and clear the BIOS by setting the BIOS jumper properly then setting it back. But, you need the mobo schematic to do that, or it may be marked on the mobo itself.
As I said 3 or 4 posts ago, I'll bet your motherboard is gone, dude. That's about a 98% certainty if you've done everything that has been suggested in the previous posts.
You've ruled out everything but the CPU (which cannot be ruled out by looking at it) and the motherboard. My bet is the motherboard. Unfortunately, it happens. You can waste a lot of time and money trying to figure out what happened to it, but here's what I'd suggest you do:
Take your hard drive out of this computer and install it as a secondary drive in the other XP machine that you have. Save your data that way, until you can find a replacement computer.
Finding that specific motherboard can be hard to find (from a reputable dealer) and will almost certainly run you anywhere from $175-$300. Then, once you have it, you have to move the CPU from the dead one to the new one and HOPE, HOPE, HOPE that it wasn't the CPU that was actually causing the issue (because about the only way for the average person to test a CPU is by replacing the CPU). By the time you're done with it, you've spent lots of money and time.
You could spend the higher side of what the motherboard is going to cost and get an entire refurbished computer from TigerDirect.com. They have them all the time for anywhere between $250-$500. Then the only thing you have to do is take your old hard drive and install it in the new computer.
As I said, this is what I'd do in your place. You've ruled out everything but the mobo and cpu. There's no real way to test a cpu that I know of unless you have a cpu tester for that specific socketed cpu (which costs as much as a computer all by itself). The mobo is your most likely culprit here by far. Sorry for the bad news, Hugh.
Can you upload a photo or a lionk of a bios part inside? Im having trouble finding exactly where it is located. I didnt buy anyrthing so tanks for the tips.
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 07:53 PM
I just reread that last post of mine and I'm assuming that you have a Dell or Gateway or other brand name computer. Is this true or do you have a custom built computer? If its a brand name, then your motherboard will be much more expensive. If you had someone build it for you, then you may be able to find another motherboard with the right type of cpu socket for under $100. Maybe well under a $100.
What make and model is your computer? Or what are the specs of it?
What make and model is your computer? Or what are the specs of it?
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 08:23 PM
possumbarnes, on May 30 2009, 07:53 PM, said:
I just reread that last post of mine and I'm assuming that you have a Dell or Gateway or other brand name computer. Is this true or do you have a custom built computer? If its a brand name, then your motherboard will be much more expensive. If you had someone build it for you, then you may be able to find another motherboard with the right type of cpu socket for under $100. Maybe well under a $100.
What make and model is your computer? Or what are the specs of it?
What make and model is your computer? Or what are the specs of it?
It is a custom Compaq Presario SR2050NX. It is a Windows Xp and mentions its Windows Vista Compatible. Here are a couple of pics of the motherboard and the hard drive. I noticed that hard drive inputs for the plug ins are about the same size as a thin hard drive for Vista Laptops but are as thick as a basic pc hard drive. They are not like most common Xp hard drives.
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 09:11 PM
That's a SATA (Serial ATA) hard drive, which you will not be able to hook up to a computer older than 3 or 4 years old. Unless you buy an adapter card with a SATA connector on the inside of it for the other computer.
I see a PCI modem installed there. Did you remove it and try to boot up like I said yesterday? I've had 3 or 4 of those modems cause this exact issue before.
If you have already tried booting without the modem and everything else that's been mentioned in previous posts, you have a dead motherboard. Your only choices are going to be get a new (or refurbished) computer (and make sure you get one with SATA drives in it so you can move this drive over to it), or put this hard drive in another computer by using a PCI card with a SATA connector on it.
I see a PCI modem installed there. Did you remove it and try to boot up like I said yesterday? I've had 3 or 4 of those modems cause this exact issue before.
If you have already tried booting without the modem and everything else that's been mentioned in previous posts, you have a dead motherboard. Your only choices are going to be get a new (or refurbished) computer (and make sure you get one with SATA drives in it so you can move this drive over to it), or put this hard drive in another computer by using a PCI card with a SATA connector on it.
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 09:13 PM
Well I reset jumpers and now the pc automaticlly powers on without pushing the power. So it will nto turn off unless I unplug it now. Lol. Still no boot. Lol. Did I ruin anything?
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 09:14 PM
Nothing more to ruin, Hugh. The motherboard is dead.
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 09:15 PM
possumbarnes, on May 30 2009, 09:11 PM, said:
That's a SATA (Serial ATA) hard drive, which you will not be able to hook up to a computer older than 3 or 4 years old. Unless you buy an adapter card with a SATA connector on the inside of it for the other computer.
I see a PCI modem installed there. Did you remove it and try to boot up like I said yesterday? I've had 3 or 4 of those modems cause this exact issue before.
If you have already tried booting without the modem and everything else that's been mentioned in previous posts, you have a dead motherboard. Your only choices are going to be get a new (or refurbished) computer (and make sure you get one with SATA drives in it so you can move this drive over to it), or put this hard drive in another computer by using a PCI card with a SATA connector on it.
I see a PCI modem installed there. Did you remove it and try to boot up like I said yesterday? I've had 3 or 4 of those modems cause this exact issue before.
If you have already tried booting without the modem and everything else that's been mentioned in previous posts, you have a dead motherboard. Your only choices are going to be get a new (or refurbished) computer (and make sure you get one with SATA drives in it so you can move this drive over to it), or put this hard drive in another computer by using a PCI card with a SATA connector on it.
I will remove it and try it again.
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 09:49 PM
possumbarnes, on May 30 2009, 09:14 PM, said:
Nothing more to ruin, Hugh. The motherboard is dead.
Thanks so much for your advice guys! I really appreciate it. For now I'll be getting a new pc but will put this one to the side and when I have god money I will re-make it. Thanks a billion!!! Keep in touch everyone!
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 09:53 PM
For a replacement computer, I'd recommend the refurbished computers from TigerDirect.com. They have about the best deals on average that I've seen with a good return policy. Good luck
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Posted 30 May 2009 - 10:25 PM
This site has some decent deals, I have been running one of their machines for about two years, all I have done is up the ram to 2 gigs and add a Zip drive. You could get a bare bones and use your exsting stuff.
http://www.ecollegepc.com/
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