BleepingComputer.com: President Elect Barack Obama

Yeah, I think it was Walkman. I never heard about the dogs , but I'm not surprised he rarely left his house. I wonder if the aliens beamed him up yet?

[quote name='groovicus' post='1024991' date='Nov 30 2008, 01:40 PM']2. According to many, many resources, his thesis can't be found. The university I attend only holds on to them for a few years, so it is not surprising that they can't find it. Most grad students I know didn't keep a copy, so it doesn't seem strange to me at all that he can't provide it. I'm pretty sure that college coursework is not part of the vetting process.[/quote]

That totally baffles me. If I'm going to dedicate that many years and hours of my life to something, I'm going to hang onto it, and likely be very proud of what I accomplished. Personally, I tried grad school once and didn't make it. Major accomplishment if you can make it. You'd think people would hold tighter to such things.

[quote name='DnDer' post='1026367' date='Dec 1 2008, 01:08 PM']That totally baffles me. If I'm going to dedicate that many years and hours of my life to something, I'm going to hang onto it, and likely be very proud of what I accomplished. Personally, I tried grad school once and didn't make it. Major accomplishment if you can make it. You'd think people would hold tighter to such things.[/quote]

I hope he keeps better track of the country than his thesis. It's been many years since I did mine and I still have it. Like DnDer, I find it hard to believe that he just threw it away (pp).

When a thesis is completed, the school retains it. It is quite possible students do not have the paper or the time or the money to create a duplicate copy. And if the thesis were on a computer, it is possible the drive failed and the electronic copy was lost.

My father wrote a 100 page thesis, which I think is still in the school's library as the work was equivalent to a dissertation. He did not create a duplicate copy as he did not have the funds to do so. Funds to buy the paper that is. This was in pre-computer days.

My observation has been that unless a person is planning on staying in the academic world as a professor or plans to be a researcher, folks generally don't create or retain duplicate copies of their thesis. That may be changing a bit now that we have computers, but generally, the thesis once complete has little meaning in most situations.

And just what is the point of a president elect submitting a master's thesis? I know of no other president-elect required to produce one.

Orange Blossom

[quote name='Orange Blossom' post='1026689' date='Dec 1 2008, 04:48 PM']And just what is the point of a president elect submitting a master's thesis? I know of no other president-elect required to produce one.

Orange Blossom [/quote]


I think the point is this: He said, with pride, that he had completed his thesis...okay...good for him. Why did he instruct the school to not release any of his transcripts? Was the thesis on "One World Government"? Was it on nuclear physics? I, for one, would liked to have known a little more about his educational background. The days of Mr. Smith with his country-folk wisdom are long gone (too bad). If a person wants to hold a public office, his record(s) should be open for examination. Notice I said "his", not his family's. If a person purportedly holds a Master's Degree in Governmental Sciences, it would be nice to be able to verify that claim. When I applied for my last job, I had to provide proof of my education and a government official should be held to the same standards, maybe even higher.

[quote]Why did he instruct the school to not release any of his transcripts?[/quote]
When di he say that? Reputable sources please.

[quote]Was the thesis on "One World Government"? Was it on nuclear physics?[/quote]
According to his teacher, [quote]“My recollection is that the paper was an analysis of the evolution of the arms reduction negotiations between the Soviet Union and the United States,” Baron said in an e-mail. “At that time, a hot topic in foreign policy circles was finding a way in which each country could safely reduce the large arsenal of nuclear weapons pointed at the other … For U.S. policy makers in both political parties, the aim was not disarmament, but achieving deep reductions in the Soviet nuclear arsenal and keeping a substantial and permanent American advantage. As I remember it, the paper was about those negotiations, their tactics and chances for success. Barack got an A.”[/quote]

[url="http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/24/1219722.aspx"]Source[/url] Reasonably reputable, I suppose, although admittedly biased on occasion.

Plenty of reputable evidence about his degree also. If you wanted to know more, you cvould have easily looked. Time magazine, Newsweek, and the Princeton review all say pretty much the same thing.

Let's be honest. The reason the anti-Obamas want the "thesis" is their desire to smear Obama. The election is over.
The best team won.

http://deepbackground.msnbc.msn.com/archiv...24/1219454.aspx
Obama and the case of the missing 'thesis'
Posted on Thursday, July 24, 2008 12:01 PM ET
QUOTE: ........Columbia University can’t help solve the mystery, either. The university says that it never had a copy of the paper in its archives, and doesn’t today. A spokesman said that no student technically could have written a thesis in 1983, since the university didn’t even have a thesis requirement for undergraduates then.

"At the time Barack Obama was a student, the political science department had no mechanism by which undergraduate political science majors in Columbia College could receive recognition for writing an independent thesis,” said university spokesman Robert Hornsby. “The department's procedures for students to write theses were created in the 1990s."

Obama’s spokesman seconds that notion: “Senator Obama did not write a thesis, in fact, Columbia's political science department didn't even begin offering the option for College undergraduates to write independent credit theses until the 1990s, well after Obama had graduated.”..........

Read the article. No reason to doubt any of it.

[quote name='groovicus' post='1026846' date='Dec 1 2008, 06:53 PM']Reputable sources please.[/quote]

Does "conservative" count as reputable?

[url="http://conservativepolitics.today.com/2008/06/27/barack-obamas-thesis-mystery-what-is-hiding/"]http://conservativepolitics.today.com/2008...what-is-hiding/[/url]

I did not vote for Obama.

Now that he has the position I recognize that.

We are a voting society..he won now let him do his job.

I hope he does improve the U.S.A. more than anything.

Hey four years from now is not far away.

Why has gas dropped from $3.50 to $1.75 per gallon, is it possible those prices were driven up to drive voters?

[quote name='Martel' post='1027100' date='Dec 2 2008, 02:58 PM']I did not vote for Obama.

Why has gas dropped from $3.50 to $1.75 per gallon, is it possible those prices were driven up to drive voters?[/quote]

Another Conspiracy Theory?

[quote]Why has gas dropped from $3.50 to $1.75 per gallon, is it possible those prices were driven up to drive voters?[/quote]

Loose the dogs!

I read an article not to long ago about how over the last 4 or 5 decades whenever somebody started really researching an alternative to oil, the oil companies lowered the price of oil to where the alternative was to costly. It was in some magazine at work, but I would not put it past them. Thinking about it, with the price of oil so high the last year all kinds of pressure was put on governments to find alternative energies. The oil companies were making record profits every quarter, and saying the price of oil was due to the futures, stock market I guess. Every where you looked companies were trying to find new energy sources or changing to new ones, like ethanol and wind power. Now the price of gas is down, oil came down, but when oil started going back up, the price of gas still went down.

I don't get it, I'm not college educated so I don't understand all the big words that get thrown around. (Most anything over 4 letters is a big word, to me.)..

Just four words say it all?

Suppy, Demand, Up, Down


When the Supply and Demand are High the Price goes Up, so do the Profits.

When the Demand dies down because of the Price, so the Supply stockpiles, tying up Capital, that Oil Companies do not want idle, so the Price comes Down, Profits are down but Cash Flow is stable. Meantime the Tax Income for the Government remains fairly constant due to the extra gallonage sold.

Little bit off Topic, but still part of the Problems facing Obama?

[quote]Does "conservative" count as reputable?[/quote]
Hardly... they cite one of their readers as the source for the story.

Food for thought?

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/0...s_obamas_m.html

[quote name='Wildabeast' post='1025773' date='Dec 1 2008, 12:47 AM']while he was in India(?) he attended school there which according to the person who filed the suit, at that time you could not have dual citizenship in India and only citizens could attend school.[/quote]

That is not entirely true. We have some family friends who were missionaries in India for YEARS, decades. Their children attended school in India; missionary schools. What's more, many Indian children attended those schools too because they were better than the Indian schools. The time period in question in this case is at least the mid-1960's if not earlier up through the mid-1980's.

However, the country in question for Obama is Indonesia not India.

As for the birth certificate issue, one does not need to be born in the U.S. states or territories to be a natural born citizen. If one or both of your parents is a U.S. citizen, you are a natural born U.S. citizen no matter where you are born. His mother was a U.S. citizen. If this were not the case, there would be many children of the military, tourists, etc. that would not be considered natural born U.S. citizens. If indeed Obama yielded up his U.S. citizenship in order to attend school there, that does not alter the fact that Obama was and is a natural born citizen, does not alter the fact that Obama, does not alter the fact that Obama is currently a U.S. citizen and has been for decades (else how could he vote etc.?), and does not alter the fact that Obama has been resident in the U.S. for at least 14 years.

From the constitution, bold-face mine:

"No Person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United States."

Orange Blossom