BleepingComputer.com: President Elect Barack Obama

[quote]Doesn't it take money to get involved?[/quote]

If you are running for president/senate/congress, etc, sure. Not too many spend their own money though. If you are running for City Council, not so much.

[quote]Me too. I don't blame the government for that. I blame them for not having enough pride to get up off their asses and pull their own weight. I have told them precisely that, which makes me a huge hit at family gatherings.[/quote]

But doesn't the government enable these kinds of behaviors through handing out this monery without enough safeguards to prevent fraud? Just playing devil's advocate...

The convenience store up the road sells cigarettes. Are they enabling me to smoke? I don't have to buy the silly things. On the same note, nobody is forcing anybody to take anything from the government. There are people that genuinely need the help. I can understand that. Taking what one does not need, or is too lazy to get on their own, just takes away from others that do need it.


[quote]I hate to belabor the point, but sheesh![/quote]
That's a whole 'nother topic.

[quote name='ryan_w_quick' post='1013627' date='Nov 20 2008, 12:11 PM']Doesn't it take money to get involved?[/quote]

Good question. How much does freedom cost? What about liberty? Choice? The cost, or payment (however you want to look at it) for NOT getting involved can be extremely high. Involvement inevitably brings about change. Eugene O'Neill once said, "A man's work is in danger of deteriorating when he thinks he has found the one best formula for doing it. If he thinks that, he is likely to feel that all he needs is merely to go on repeating himself . . . so long as a person is searching for better ways of doing his work, he is fairly safe." Getting involved with the government, even on a local level, is searching for better ways of doing things. Ron Paul had a good formula for running the country, but even the Honorable Mr. Paul agreed that his "formula" could be improved on.

When President-elect Obama takes office and you decide, as I'm sure you will, that he is not doing things the Ryan...ummm....RIGHT way, get involved! Join a citizen's action committee or your local Young Republicans group. Volunteer to stump for the candidate of your choice next election. Get out and vote...that's one way of getting involved and I believe it's still free, i.e. no money required. I got involved on Nov. 4, did you?

"When the people become involved in their government, government becomes more accountable, and our society is stronger, more compassionate, and better prepared for the challenges of the future."
Arnold Schwarzenegger

This post has been edited by rangecoach: 20 November 2008 - 08:42 PM

Easy there, mikerox. One of the things that makes this country as great as it is, is the fact that we can all express our opinions, regardless of what someone else thinks. I have my opinion, Ryan has his and you have yours. I might not agree with either of the two of you, but that's my right. Ryan might sound like a bitter man to you, but to me he is just expressing his opinion...right, wrong or indifferent. Now, with these rights come rules and regulations---laws, if you will, and these "laws" are laid out by our governing bodies. In this case, it's the moderators. Check out the Speak Easy guidelines...it's actually quite good.

P.S. Ryan, I still don't agree with you.............just my humble opinion (and right).

In case anyone is wondering to what rangecoach is referring, he is referring to a post that I removed for failure to follow Speak Easy guidelines. Which is really too bad because they obviously spent a long time preparing their post, and failed to read the administrative notice printed directly above the reply box in blue lettering:[quote]This section is for polite and thoughtful debate on potentially controversial topics. There will be no flaming, swearing, or cursing. Anyone not following these simple rules will, without notice, have their posts immediately removed.[/quote]

@mikerox, before you decide to call someone an idiot, you should first look in the mirror. You were neither polite or thoughtful. What does that make you.....?

[quote name='groovicus' post='1021105' date='Nov 27 2008, 09:12 AM']In case anyone is wondering to what rangecoach is referring, he is referring to a post that I removed for failure to follow Speak Easy guidelines. Which is really too bad because they obviously spent a long time preparing their post, and failed to read the administrative notice printed directly above the reply box in blue lettering:[quote]This section is for polite and thoughtful debate on potentially controversial topics. There will be no flaming, swearing, or cursing. Anyone not following these simple rules will, without notice, have their posts immediately removed.[/quote]

@mikerox, before you decide to call someone an idiot, you should first look in the mirror. You were neither polite or thoughtful. What does that make you.....?
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You may find this to be surprising, but I totally agree with you. In retrospect, I was very poor with the delivery of my argument. In addition to that, I made my argument look more like an attack or a rant than anything else. This was certainly poor judgment on my part, and I apologize for the rude outburst. I'll make certain to refrain from becoming emotional in my posts from here on out.

[quote]This was certainly poor judgment on my part, and I apologize for the rude outburst. I'll make certain to refrain from becoming emotional in my posts from here on out.[/quote]


Well done.

It's understandable for someone to be emotional about their beliefs, but I think passion will get more results than emotion.

Moving forward, I would still like to hear what other members think about our newly-elected President, good, bad or indifferent, hopes, worries, etc.

Well, as a Democrat, I guess it's obvious that I'm very pleased with America's choice. As an African-American, I am humbled by being able to witness the history that has and still-is unfolding before us. As a college attending citizen, I am looking forward to his implementation of his college oriented plan (allowing those who commit to a certain number of hours of community service to have the privilege of receiving various forms of college finance). As an young, average American, I hope and pray that the President-Elect will successfully bring the economy back on his feet.

I have reason to believe that he can fulfill his promises - if not all of them, then a majority of them. He's shown a level of assertion and wisdom that I have never seen before. He's so cool under the collar that I don't have to worry about him letting his emotions get the better of him. This also may be a bit surprising to hear from a Democrat, but I believe that God will endow even more wisdom than he has already so that we can not just be reformed to our former glory, but so that we can acquire an even deeper level of hope, faith and respect in America to our allies, and even our enemies.

I just want to say this to a Young Man that I think can walk Proud and Free.

You was Challanged by your Peers and carried on to your Credit! It takes a Big Man to actually admit that they made a Mistake, then come back to show what sort of a Man they really are.

The President Elect is also that sort of a Man. He is the most Popular Presidential Elect for many years, not only in America, but right around the World.

Unlike the Doom Merchants Predict, I honestly think the rest of the World will get in behind him and Help.

It is not going to be an easy Road to Travel.

Guess it really is that the Ball is in America's Court, now? What America does now is critical, not what Obama does.

[quote name='Abacus 7' post='1022053' date='Nov 28 2008, 08:08 AM']

I just want to say this to a Young Man that I think can walk Proud and Free.

You was Challanged by your Peers and carried on to your Credit! It takes a Big Man to actually admit that they made a Mistake, then come back to show what sort of a Man they really are.

The President Elect is also that sort of a Man. He is the most Popular Presidential Elect for many years, not only in America, but right around the World.

Unlike the Doom Merchants Predict, I honestly think the rest of the World will get in behind him and Help.

It is not going to be an easy Road to Travel.

Guess it really is that the Ball is in America's Court, now? What America does now is critical, not what Obama does.

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I appreciate your complements. It is a true complement to be compared to such an amazing person.

As a Democrat, I don't know what to think of him. He acts like he is hiding something, he has been asked to hand over his birth certificate, tax records, college thesis..(??) and has produced none of them. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Mcain fan either, but the DNC asked him to provide those things and he did. How come Obama did not? Just hand them over and shut the people, conspiracy theorists, up!

He seems to be doing OK, so much for change, changing back to the Clinton cabinet. But I really do hope he does a good job. He has a tough road ahead of him and since he's talking to Bush maybe both parties can work together. Although that would be a lot easier if Pelosi was not there....

[quote name='Wildabeast' post='1023030' date='Nov 29 2008, 03:39 PM']He has a tough road ahead of him and since he's talking to Bush maybe both parties can work together. Although that would be a lot easier if Pelosi was not there.... [/quote]

That is critical if America really wants to get out of the Mess it is in. Unless both Parties work together it just wont work.

Bush and Obama are truely showing the way for America and it is a Credit to both of them to see such cooperation in ensuring a smooth changeover. American History is being rewritten each day in this.

[quote name='Wildabeast' post='1023030' date='Nov 29 2008, 12:39 AM']As a Democrat, I don't know what to think of him. He acts like he is hiding something, he has been asked to hand over his birth certificate, tax records, college thesis..(??) and has produced none of them. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Mcain fan either, but the DNC asked him to provide those things and he did. How come Obama did not? Just hand them over and shut the people, conspiracy theorists, up!

He seems to be doing OK, so much for change, changing back to the Clinton cabinet. But I really do hope he does a good job. He has a tough road ahead of him and since he's talking to Bush maybe both parties can work together. Although that would be a lot easier if Pelosi was not there.... [/quote]

Everything would be easier without Pelosi. She does nothing to bring the two sides together.

How do you think Obama should handle her? Does he upset his party and go against Pelosi or does he upset the Republicans and support her? If he truly wants what is best for this country, he needs to rejoin the divided.

This post has been edited by rangecoach: 30 November 2008 - 11:46 AM