BleepingComputer.com: Idiots In Congress Trying To Control Our Guns

You can pretty much say the same thing for certain illegal drugs; if the bad guys are going to get them if they need it, then why try to fight it? hmm...

(I'm not talking about really hardcore drugs, but more along the lines of recreational drugs--marijuana)

[quote]How much MORE illegal can you make it to commit a crime??? Deal with the criminals and the crime rate will go down, including crimes committed with guns.[/quote]
agreed, why not do what California did for a while (they might still have it going on..) the 3 strike rule or something of said nature?

[quote name='cowsgonemadd3' post='970422' date='Oct 10 2008, 01:56 PM'][quote]It's not like you would ever be able to protect yourself from the government with your firearms anyways.[/quote]

Guns are more than about killing. People kill people with knives too so do the Ausies as you say want to give them up too? Then if they make sharp pointed sticks and kill people or use any other hard or pointy object to kill people then what?

Its basically pointless to give up guns. There were still killings before guns.

Guns are simple and can even be made by hand.
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Funny thing, Mate, the 40,000 year old original People of Australia just pointed a bone or sharp stick and that was it. They still do it today, the Criminals know that.

[quote]"Pointing the bone." 30 August 2007. HowStuffWorks.com.

Pointing the bone is a magic ritual used by Australian Aborigines with the intention of injuring or killing their enemies. The man who performs the ritual points or jerks a bone or stick at his enemy and chants a prescribed song. The Aborigine stands in a special position and exercises extreme care while performing the ritual. Aborigines believe that, if he should make a mistake, he and not the intended victim may die. Many Aborigines believe firmly in the magic power of the ritual. The intended victim may even die. Anthropologists theorize that such deaths are caused by stress, fear, or the power of suggestion.[/quote]


[url="http://reference.howstuffworks.com/pointing-the-bone-encyclopedia.htm"]http://reference.howstuffworks.com/pointin...ncyclopedia.htm[/url]

Guns are useless against that, trust me.

Striving to see the difference between registering guns (so they can be traced back should something horrible happen) and registering vehicles. Both perfectly harmless unless in the wrong hands.

[quote name='MaraM' post='970802' date='Oct 11 2008, 03:05 AM']Striving to see the difference between registering guns (so they can be traced back should something horrible happen) and registering vehicles. Both perfectly harmless unless in the wrong hands.[/quote]


All Guns in Australia are Registered! Easy to trace back! Just like Vehicle Registrations?

Illegal ones are easy to see, just like Vehicles?

A Police Officer just punches the Number into the onboard Computer and Bingo!

If it is Legal, Vehicle or Gun, no Problems! If not? Then BIG Problems!

And that would be a bad thing? Honestly just curious.





[quote name='Abacus 7' post='971252' date='Oct 10 2008, 11:02 PM']A Police Officer just punches the Number into the onboard Computer and Bingo!

If it is Legal, Vehicle or Gun, no Problems! If not? Then BIG Problems!

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[quote name='MaraM' post='971692' date='Oct 12 2008, 02:38 AM']And that would be a bad thing? Honestly just curious.





[quote name='Abacus 7' post='971252' date='Oct 10 2008, 11:02 PM']A Police Officer just punches the Number into the onboard Computer and Bingo!

If it is Legal, Vehicle or Gun, no Problems! If not? Then BIG Problems!

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It works in America the same as Vehicle Registration?

Aussies just refined it for Guns!

It is quite deadly!

Edit. You have an illegal Gun, you are in Trouble!

This post has been edited by Abacus 7: 11 October 2008 - 12:05 PM

I'm sorry for the confusion - I was wondering is it so bad to have to have guns registered.

It is still possible to own a Gun here in OZ.You have to not be a convicted Felon,Have a legitimate reason for owning one, and
must have a Gun safe for safe storage. This is the main criteria,for obtaining a Gun Licence.
If you live or own Rural land,there isn't a problem owning Guns.
They don't wan't normal Public, running round with guns, thinking they are Wyatt Earp.
I don't feel disadvantaged by not owning a Gun,anymore.

I'm noticing a trend here...all of the folks that are questioning our right to "keep and bear arms" or even our so-called love of guns, are, for the most part, not from the US. Thomas Jefferson once said, "Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state." Just over 200 years ago, we had to fight for our freedom and, as a result, the majority of every citizen was either called into action or volunteered to fight for said freedom. While 200+ years may seem to be far in the past, in reality, it hasn't been that long ago. How long has it been since, on their own, the UK, Australia or New Zealand, just to name a few, have had to fight for their independence? Now I'm not saying that these countries have never had to fight for anything they believe in, stand for, etc. I just think that, given our country's young age, the fact that we have never had to give up our firearms (voluntarily or otherwise), this "right" is engrained in our culture and lifestyle and it's not just because the Constitution allows for it. The government can try to enact all the laws that they want but, the bottom line is this...how about enforcing the laws that already exist!??!

I spent several years as an instructor on various Marine Corps rifle ranges (hence the screen name) teaching our young Troopers how to use their rifles as an effective weapon AND how to be safe with them. Oddly enough, I always had RSO's (range safety officers) that insisted on at least one block of instruction geared towards local, state and federal firearms laws and the ramifications for failing to abide by these laws. Personally, I own several "semi-automatic" rifles...all ligit and registered...that I still compete with. Could I use them for hunting? Yes, but I have other rifles for that. Could I "reach out and touch someone" with them? Absolutely! Would I? Not a chance!! I have a much higher respect for mankind and, quite frankly, I'm afraid of the consequences. Let's face it, fear is one of the greatest deterents known to man...one of the reason why we need to ENFORCE the laws we already have. If a criminal knows beyond the shadow of a doubt that he will be punished for circumventing the law, odds are he would probably think twice before committing the crime. Criminals kill people, not guns, just like pencils do not cause misspelled words.

Look, I'm not in favor of allowing every Joe Blow to own a gun of his choice; i.e. semi-auto or handgun, but he does have that right. I'm a firm believer in mandatory gun safety and education courses (not the typical four hour course) and mandatory waiting periods and, by all means, mandatory in-depth background checks. I think this is where the proverbial "ounce of prevention" would come into play. This still would not stop the the criminals set on wreaking havoc from acquiring firearms but,.......wait for it......here it comes.......we need to enforce the laws that already exist!!!

Although you make good points, you ignore the Fact that Guns need to be Regulated so that Kids can't get them and use them in School Shootings?

Noone is talking about taking them away? Just stopping weirdos getting them?

That is why Aussies gave them up, in General.

Great to say it is your History, then read tomorrow about another Crazed Kid that Murdered his Classmates? That is not Criminals using them, just Kids?

I think it is time to stop that!

Register ALL Guns and make it Fair, Mate!

BANG!!!! -----------------> you


what a way to solve problems....

Yes. For surely, in a moment of rage, if a gun is handy there could be a fatal outcome to the fury. Fists are bad enough for people who can't control their tempers - and it's these same people that have such a lack of self-control who are often the ones that kill others.

And yup, I'm not American ... but ... If a car's owner drives safely, even though the car is registered, it's not a huge 'taking away of rights' - so, while owning guns is one thing, what can be so bad about having them registered.

The major downside to registering guns is the fact that if and when the government decides to make guns illegal, they know exactly where to start looking.

Guess that would be true. But somehow I honestly doubt if the American government would ever take that stand - at least not if they wanted to be re-elected?