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 Jun 18 2008, 11:32 PM
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Yes, it is true, I heard it on the news... or where they lying? lol |
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Jun 19 2008, 07:27 AM
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 Hail Groovicus! Group: Site Admin Posts: 5,768 Joined: 5-June 04 From: Vermillion, SD Member No.: 689 |
QUOTE Yes, it is true, I heard it on the news.. My eight year old could stop a train simply by dialing the phone and stating that there is a bomb on the train. What is your point? -------------------- |
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Jun 19 2008, 06:54 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 25-October 07 From: Australia Member No.: 165,256 |
He apparently coded some software, that could change the train lines in my country. Thus making the time tablers panic and hold trains before they moved onto a different line.
My point is, how is it possible some kid can learn how to do these sorts of things? This post has been edited by ill_Nino: Jun 19 2008, 06:56 PM |
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Jun 19 2008, 09:27 PM
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 Bleeping Hacker Group: BC Advisor Posts: 1,844 Joined: 14-April 04 From: Texas Member No.: 151 |
14 year old ambition + lot's of free time + Google = Bad things!
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Jun 19 2008, 10:43 PM
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Hail Groovicus! Group: Site Admin Posts: 5,768 Joined: 5-June 04 From: Vermillion, SD Member No.: 689 |
Exactly. It doesn't take too many brains to download something else written by someone else and run it....
Beside, I'm calling bullsh*t. I want to see the story that you are referring to. If it really happened, it will be all over the net on reputable sources. -------------------- |
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Jun 20 2008, 05:49 PM
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Bleeping Hacker Group: BC Advisor Posts: 1,844 Joined: 14-April 04 From: Texas Member No.: 151 |
Oh Groovy One...tis true,
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...ram-system.html -------------------- |
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Jun 20 2008, 07:33 PM
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 Member Group: Members Posts: 63 Joined: 15-January 06 From: Junee, NSW, Australia Member No.: 50,879 |
In this story he adapted a remote control to change the track points - the illustration would suggest a hardware adaptation. This is not the same as writing software to do the damage.
Alan -------------------- There are 10 types of people - those who understand binary and those who don't!!
Today is the Beta version of Tomorrow! |
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Jun 22 2008, 01:57 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 25-October 07 From: Australia Member No.: 165,256 |
Even so, at the bottom they talk about a 20 year sending out spyware to get into bank accounts.
Note also, I do not have the heart to do that, but like I've stated, I would like to enjoy writing my own programs, gives me that extra security if you know what I mean. Obviously there are young kids who can do damage like this, if you know, I would like to know how they are able to obtain this sort of information? I know this question is out of topic, and also could be used in the wrong hands, although, if they can find this stuff out, is anything obtainable from the internet? |
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Jun 22 2008, 02:29 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 63 Joined: 15-January 06 From: Junee, NSW, Australia Member No.: 50,879 |
There are sources of malicious software available.
I doubt whether anyone here would think it reasonable to advise other people how to obtain such software. It would be against everything that most of us professionals stand for!!! I certainly would never help anyone get anything like it!! It ia really not the sort of question that should be asked in a forum like this. Alan. -------------------- There are 10 types of people - those who understand binary and those who don't!!
Today is the Beta version of Tomorrow! |
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Jun 22 2008, 04:29 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 25-October 07 From: Australia Member No.: 165,256 |
Yeah I understand, I'm not asking for direct links to downloads but. I am merely asking if there is websites that teach how to program software, like a forum like this that people could go to for more expert advice. Here it is only mainly for Computer Support...
EDIT: For example, where did you, if you learnt, learn to program? This post has been edited by ill_Nino: Jun 22 2008, 04:32 AM |
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Jun 22 2008, 10:44 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 63 Joined: 15-January 06 From: Junee, NSW, Australia Member No.: 50,879 |
I learned to program in 1962 - in machine code in octal on a mainframe Ferranti Pegasus Mark I (look it up in Wikipedia). Then I moved to an AEI 1010 and we coded in decimal - big step up!!!
Then I went to Fortran on CDC computers and later used many other languages. I started before there were any college courses in computing, before there were any textbooks (apart from the machine code instruction manual that came with the computers), long before the Internet. We taught ourselves and helped each other. We learned by reading the manuals, trying out instructions step by step, making our own mistakes and finding the solutions for ourselves (no forums to ask in!!). We learned mainly by very hard work, persistence, using our intelligence and a sense of being professional. Remember that intelligence is often defined as the ability to solve problems - not as the ability to copy other people's code.  But programming is not only learning a language - if you are going to be a REAL programmer you must also learn Systems Analysis, Systems Design, Data Structures, Program Design, debugging procedures and a host of other things. Without these things you are just another script kiddy! After 46 years I am still programming and learning - though it is for my own pleasure now not for soemone else. If you apply the same principals today you will succeed. If you are looking for shortcuts, quick fixes, solutions from other people, avoiding reading the textbooks, avoiding typing in the examples one by one - you will NEVER succeed. Why not start a car wash business? Alan -------------------- There are 10 types of people - those who understand binary and those who don't!!
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Jun 23 2008, 05:54 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 83 Joined: 25-October 07 From: Australia Member No.: 165,256 |
I thought there was never a short cut. Wow, congratulations on such a history...
My game looks further away than ever before lol Thanks for you quick, and direct replies Alan. ~ Nino |
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Jun 25 2008, 05:37 PM
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 Forum Regular Group: HJT Junior Classmen Posts: 279 Joined: 8-June 08 From: Ontario Member No.: 214,918 |
Hi there!
I do a lot of programming in a language called "Autoit!" (some of the members here may be familiar with it). Autoit! is a macro scripting language that basically has most of the functions pre-defined, so there is less time spent on writing the functions and more time writing the program to do your task. As far as I know, Autoit! only works with Windows and Internet Explorer (if you want it to interact with IE). With Autoit!, you can simulate mouse movements, key presses, interect with GUI's and pages opened in IE. I think it's a good starting point so that you can get the general 'feel' of how programming works (programmers love the time when it comes to debugging a logic error  )Oh... and may I add that once you learn how to program in one language, you'll notice trends in other languages too, such as types of variables, types of loops, etc. It won't be difficult to get the hang of another language once you've gotten one language down. |
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Jun 27 2008, 12:15 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 63 Joined: 15-January 06 From: Junee, NSW, Australia Member No.: 50,879 |
As you say AutoIt is a macro scripting language. This is a lot different from procedural languages such as FORTRAN, BASIC, COBOL, C and others. It is also very much different from Object Oriented languages like C++, JAVA and all the other more modern languages. All these are far more complex and much more versatile than a scripting language.
If AutoIt will only work with Windows and Internet Explorer then it is very limited, would not be portable nor stand alone and can hardly be compared with the other languages available. Macro scripts and computer languages are very different!! Alan -------------------- There are 10 types of people - those who understand binary and those who don't!!
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Jun 27 2008, 10:53 AM
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Forum Regular Group: HJT Junior Classmen Posts: 279 Joined: 8-June 08 From: Ontario Member No.: 214,918 |
Yes Alan. The downfall of Autoit is that you are very limited as to where you can apply Autoit. I, however, do believe that it may be a good start for new people because it still does have the basic stucture to programs (although the functions may be different):
*Declare a variable *Declaring arrays *Main body of functions *Loops *Calling Functions Indeed, it is not as versatile as a language such as Java, or C++, which are more popular and useful. But it can provide new programmers (when I say 'new programmers', I mean 'never seen programming before') with appropriate knowledge to move on to a more powerful language. Another thing I like about Autoit is that you can very quickly see yourself progress through programming. Your programs will very quickly become more complex and fancy. It's quite encouraging
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