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Philosophy Of Life A FRIENDLY debate over the purpose of life, if there is one

#31 User is offline   Poppy32174 

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 11:40 AM

This is my Philosophy of life...

It's up to each of us to lead a healthy life. This starts with family, then friends, school and work. Then we find a soul mate and raise a family.

People who don't follow these would lead to drugs, depression and suicide.

People need hope, without hope there's nothing.

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 12:56 PM

[quote name='RADIUM-V Interactive' post='832133' date='May 22 2008, 10:59 PM'][quote name='ryan_w_quick' post='832055' date='May 22 2008, 08:38 PM'][quote name='RADIUM-V Interactive' post='826899' date='May 16 2008, 06:41 PM']The only reason we exist is to reproduce.

It's not worth it to ask why our only reason is reproduction, because it will never be answered.

That's the beauty of free will and philosophy. Without pure, scientific data, or like a wall saying "The answer to life, the universe, and everything is 42 -Signed, God", my reason can be different from your reason, and both is right to each of us.


Consider life-or-death situations. What's your first instinct? Is it to save your friend, or save yourself? Whether you like it or not, your only goal in life is to live longer than others, and be able to create something that will pass on your inheritance. Your conscience tells you to save your friend, but your instinct tells you to save yourself.

This is true for all animals and creatures in existence (at least on this earth and on this level of existence). I think a more important question than "why" is "how".

That's my take on it. So make a lot of babies and live to be 100 and you're fine. Because it doesn't matter what you do in your life because they're all just memories in the minds of the others, who's only goal is also to reproduce and live long.

I would love to talk more about this, but then people start calling me a cuckoo and a nut. So I'll add bits and pieces around the forum board.[/quote]


i agree with you're genearal thought of things, and a general reality of things, but seriously, is not what makes us human, our ability to reason and deny our compulsions??? if not, how can you explain a person in the military diving on a grenade to save the five or six marines around him?? how can you explain it? if you say, it is just military brainwashing, then i would say, how could someone be so weak minded? but i dont believe that is the reason, i believe there are still men and women who will sacrfice their own lives, their own survival so that others will live on, for whatever reason it may be. all i'm saying, is that it happens, and you cannot dispute that. will you honestly still say that evberyones ONLY goal in EVERY situation is to survive, i don't know how you can?
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Our evolution has put logic and compassion in front of instinct. our instinctual thought would be to save our self, our intellectual thought would be to save our friends.
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Whether you like it or not, your only goal in life is to live longer than others, and be able to create something that will pass on your inheritance.
Because it doesn't matter what you do in your life because they're all just memories in the minds of the others, who's only goal is also to reproduce and live long.

both the above are your quotes. i think you should agree they are not 100%
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Posted 25 August 2008 - 12:58 PM

[quote name='Poppy32174' post='923907' date='Aug 25 2008, 12:40 PM']This is my Philosophy of life...

It's up to each of us to lead a healthy life. This starts with family, then friends, school and work. Then we find a soul mate and raise a family.

People who don't follow these would lead to drugs, depression and suicide.

People need hope, without hope there's nothing.

Poppy
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weak people need hope. it takes a real person to face the truth of this world and not be depressed. luckily we have some crazy religions for all those weaklings
"To do less than your best is to sacrifice the gift." Steve Prefontaine

"The things you own end up owning you." Tyler Durden

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same god who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Galileo

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 01:10 PM

[quote name='lost_case' post='877626' date='Jul 10 2008, 09:47 AM']Our ''mission'' really is to reproduce, because we are animals that gave themselves different name. One day I was walking trough the wood near the town and noticed a small lake full of fish. They just live there, doing their thing and they are not aware of any other life, so perhaps its the same with human: we dont know if any other form of what we call life actually exist. Also noticed that when you talk to your dog, for example, he doesnt understand you, so we automatically conclude that dogs are less intelligent then human, but put yourself in dog's position: maybe he thinks what is that fool doing, and maybe he thinks that human are stupid. He can only understand to that point where his 'brain can reach'. Again, same with human. We will never found out ANYTHING because mother nature always keeps it all in balance. Again, what will be the 'point of life' if we find out what the point of our life is! The fact is that we are not as important as we think because the Sun will eventually lose its nuclear energy and it will stop 'shining'. And who the hell knows how big universe is and where the hell is that final limit to it? Especially how it was created in a first place, and what was the first thing that existed.

The point of what I'm saying is that we CAN'T EVEN GUESS, so let it go and have fun while you can. :thumbsup:[/quote]


you think the fish aren't aware of predators? i'm pretty confident they know there is something out there besides them, but i agree that it is not their focus
"To do less than your best is to sacrifice the gift." Steve Prefontaine

"The things you own end up owning you." Tyler Durden

"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same god who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Galileo

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 05:58 AM

[quote name='Poppy32174' post='923907' date='Aug 25 2008, 12:40 PM']This is my Philosophy of life...

It's up to each of us to lead a healthy life. This starts with family, then friends, school and work. Then we find a soul mate and raise a family.

People who don't follow these would lead to drugs, depression and suicide.

People need hope, without hope there's nothing.

Poppy
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Funny, I know a lot of people that don't follow these "rules" (including me) that are not depressed, suicidal drug addicts.

Who'da thunk it. :thumbsup:

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 11:14 AM

OK Matt...

How about " People who don't follow these COULD lead to drugs, depression and suicide."

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 01:53 PM

[quote name='Poppy32174' post='924939' date='Aug 26 2008, 12:14 PM']OK Matt...

How about " People who don't follow these COULD lead to drugs, depression and suicide."

Poppy
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doing the things you mentioned could lead to drugs and suicide

my cousin was very bright and could have done anything with his life, but he hung around his low life family, and his friends from his child hood ( can you blame him for either?), and now hes in jail for like 2 years.

your plans did not work for him! you phony
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Posted 26 August 2008 - 05:45 PM

Ryan...

Are you calling me a phony? Please explain !

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 07:36 AM

[quote name='Poppy32174' post='925248' date='Aug 26 2008, 06:45 PM']Ryan...

Are you calling me a phony? Please explain !

Poppy
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your recommendations for a healthy life are not sound! i have seen them fail, mostly so in those close to me
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Posted 27 August 2008 - 07:52 AM

[quote name='ryan_w_quick' post='925739' date='Aug 27 2008, 08:36 AM'][quote name='Poppy32174' post='925248' date='Aug 26 2008, 06:45 PM']Ryan...

Are you calling me a phony? Please explain !

Poppy
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your recommendations for a healthy life are not sound! i have seen them fail, mostly so in those close to me
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I followed those "rules" and still ended up an alcoholic. But I have been sober for a bit over eight years, now. So now I'm following the "rules" without booze in my life. Well, some of 'em, anyways. :thumbsup:

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 09:48 AM

Ryan...

I reread my post (#31) and the only thing (word) I would change is COULD, like I said my my post. In life, it's up to us to make choices. Some we make are good and some not good.

Sorry to hear about your cousin and I wish the best for him.

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Posted 27 August 2008 - 09:54 AM

Matt...

I stick by my recomendations, sorry they didn't work for you, but your on the right track now.

Good Luck...

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Posted 05 September 2008 - 05:24 AM

[quote name='THE_wizard' post='758614' date='Mar 4 2008, 10:48 PM']I was recently doing a paper on Life and I wonder, how do some people think there is no purpose in life that they kill themselves?

I really want to hear ur comments :thumbsup:[/quote]

I was attracted to this thread by the title, wondering what people's philosopies of life were, then found in the original statement that it is more a question about whether or not life has a purpose and if people who kill themselves don't think there is any purpose in life and that this leads them to kill themselves.

First of all I admire the complexity of the grammar. It forces you to contemplate exactly what is meant. For instance, "how do some people think there is no purpose in life? ..." Well, that's an easy one. A lot of people think there is no purpose in life. Alot of people think it doesn't matter how they live, that there is no justice in the world, no meaning, no reason for reaching for the stars, nothing but what appears on one's plate.

Then comes the next part of the original statement: "and that this leads them to kill themselves." In this point, I would disagree. There are many people in the world who believe there is no purpose in life who are happily sipping beers, eating ice cream and doing cannon balls into swimming pools with very little concern as to whether life has any purpose or not. For people who are happily without a purpose, I think there's a simple way of gauging one's progress through life and that is to do an internal check as to whether what they are doing is making them happy or not. If what they are doing is making them happy, then they keep doing it, and if what they are doing makes them unhappy, then they change it.

A purpose may come into play when this process is externalized. If what they are doing makes other people happy, and they are happy, then they will keep doing it. If what they are doing makes other people unhappy, etc. etc.

Those two are fairly simple mechanisms. Complexity of purpose, however, may occur when one removes the ability to judge from the center of one's own being and places it in the hands of a god or a deity or a higher purpose or a matter of karma or a cosmic theory. In that case, one must first build up a frame of reference which includes this external judgment mechanism. Having built up this larger frame of reference around oneself, whether it be religion, science, politcs or whatever, it might then be possible to say, what is the purpose of my being within this larger picture which I've constructed?

I don't think there are many problems with suicide in the first two cases. The easy systems of judging whether one is living correctly on the basis of either being happy or unhappy or of helping another to be happy or unhappy are good mechanisms.

When the question of purpose is taken out of one's hands and placed into a larger framework, the issue becomes more complex. It is no longer the simple question, am I happy or unhappy? Am I creating happiness for others or unhappiness for others? It is now necessary to perceive one's own happiness or unhappiness through the imaginary perspective of an external force. For instance, within the political framework, I am a Tibetan being looked at by a Chinese governmental official. As the Tibetan viewing myself from the perspective of the Chinese governmental official, am I a person worthy of existence? Do I have a purpose which will fit into the framework of the political construction? Or as another example, I am a handicapped person. Do I have a purpose within the evolutionary framework? Within the technological framework? Am I useful for this external framework?

For someone who is suffering from suicidal thoughts, it might be easier to return to the simplest mechanism for awhile: am I happy or am I unhappy? Like a compass, this can point to a way out of feelings which could be cycling helplessly and fruitlessly in one of the bigger frameworks.

Those are my thoughts. :flowers:
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Posted 09 September 2008 - 06:41 AM

[quote name='ryan_w_quick' post='923958' date='Aug 26 2008, 01:56 AM']Whether you like it or not, your only goal in life is to live longer than others, and be able to create something that will pass on your inheritance.[/quote]
I disagree. Priests don't pass something on to someone else, gneetically at least. But he does live his life for something he thinks is important - his religion.

I think people live for those he judges as valuable for him, be it himself, other objects or other people. People die for others because that person probably wouldn't be able to carry the burden of losing someone they love. In the end, the sacrifice of one's life for another is an escape from that burden or to accomplish something the person judges as valuable or important.

I have two philosophies in life which I can join together.
1. Live life for yourself and others. It is other people that make your world go round. When you need a house built, get sick, go to another country, clean your computer of malware, you need other people. Not god. And these people make your world go round, hence the need to respect them. I am also a part of what makes your world go round. Hence you should respect me as well.

2. Accept reality. Everything that exists is logical and has meaning. Like germs. Sure, they're bad for us but they have a purpose - hence their existance. Lies exist. Lies are not always good but necessary nonetheless. I respect religion and the people who believe in them because religion exists. People who believe in them exist and therefore, they being part of reality, even if I don't agree with most of them, they and their belief/religion are necessary to human nature. I must respect that. And so should everyone else.

Those are my own philosophies/principles in life. :D
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Posted 09 September 2008 - 10:55 PM

[quote name='sickstrings' post='939171' date='Sep 9 2008, 07:41 AM'][quote name='ryan_w_quick' post='923958' date='Aug 26 2008, 01:56 AM']Whether you like it or not, your only goal in life is to live longer than others, and be able to create something that will pass on your inheritance.[/quote]
I disagree. Priests don't pass something on to someone else, gneetically at least. But he does live his life for something he thinks is important - his religion.

I think people live for those he judges as valuable for him, be it himself, other objects or other people. People die for others because that person probably wouldn't be able to carry the burden of losing someone they love. In the end, the sacrifice of one's life for another is an escape from that burden or to accomplish something the person judges as valuable or important.

I have two philosophies in life which I can join together.
1. Live life for yourself and others. It is other people that make your world go round. When you need a house built, get sick, go to another country, clean your computer of malware, you need other people. Not god. And these people make your world go round, hence the need to respect them. I am also a part of what makes your world go round. Hence you should respect me as well.

2. Accept reality. Everything that exists is logical and has meaning. Like germs. Sure, they're bad for us but they have a purpose - hence their existance. Lies exist. Lies are not always good but necessary nonetheless. I respect religion and the people who believe in them because religion exists. People who believe in them exist and therefore, they being part of reality, even if I don't agree with most of them, they and their belief/religion are necessary to human nature. I must respect that. And so should everyone else.

Those are my own philosophies/principles in life. :D
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you are correct. priests live only to molest and rape the children who they have sworn to lead into heaven
"To do less than your best is to sacrifice the gift." Steve Prefontaine

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"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same god who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended us to forgo their use." Galileo

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