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Philosophy Of Life A FRIENDLY debate over the purpose of life, if there is one

#46 User is offline   ryan_w_quick 

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Posted 09 September 2008 - 11:22 PM

[quote name='sickstrings' post='939171' date='Sep 9 2008, 07:41 AM'][quote name='ryan_w_quick' post='923958' date='Aug 26 2008, 01:56 AM']Whether you like it or not, your only goal in life is to live longer than others, and be able to create something that will pass on your inheritance.[/quote]
I disagree. Priests don't pass something on to someone else, gneetically at least. But he does live his life for something he thinks is important - his religion.

I think people live for those he judges as valuable for him, be it himself, other objects or other people. People die for others because that person probably wouldn't be able to carry the burden of losing someone they love. In the end, the sacrifice of one's life for another is an escape from that burden or to accomplish something the person judges as valuable or important.

I have two philosophies in life which I can join together.
1. Live life for yourself and others. It is other people that make your world go round. When you need a house built, get sick, go to another country, clean your computer of malware, you need other people. Not god. And these people make your world go round, hence the need to respect them. I am also a part of what makes your world go round. Hence you should respect me as well.

2. Accept reality. Everything that exists is logical and has meaning. Like germs. Sure, they're bad for us but they have a purpose - hence their existance. Lies exist. Lies are not always good but necessary nonetheless. I respect religion and the people who believe in them because religion exists. People who believe in them exist and therefore, they being part of reality, even if I don't agree with most of them, they and their belief/religion are necessary to human nature. I must respect that. And so should everyone else.

Those are my own philosophies/principles in life. :D
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i do not believe that you can live for yourself and others. those two will conflict at some point, even if only in a small way, but often very majorly
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Posted 10 September 2008 - 01:39 AM

Well, I do not believe in god, so where do I base my morality on, if not on myself and other people? It cannot be denied that there are other people existing with us in this world. Therefore I cannot just base my morality on myself since it is obvious to me that I cannot survive without these people.

If not to 1.) god or 2.) myself and other people, where then would morality be based on?
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#48 User is offline   MattV 

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Posted 10 September 2008 - 03:22 PM

Before the question of whether or not there is a purpose to life is considered, there is another question to be considered:

Must there be a purpose to life?

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Posted 10 September 2008 - 07:00 PM

[quote name='MattV' post='940600' date='Sep 11 2008, 06:22 AM']Before the question of whether or not there is a purpose to life is considered, there is another question to be considered:

Must there be a purpose to life?[/quote]

Also this?

[quote]Well, I do not believe in god, so where do I base my morality on, if not on myself and other people? It cannot be denied that there are other people existing with us in this world. Therefore I cannot just base my morality on myself since it is obvious to me that I cannot survive without these people.[/quote]


It is Funny that Life and God are intermixed?

Why?

As Humans we know we are Responsible for what we do, yet we Try to Blame someone, instead of ourself!

Just for once sit back and ask yourself these Questions.

1. When was the last time I said Hello to Mum and Dad?

2. When was the last time I wished a Friend something Nice.

3. When did I last say I Love you to someone.

4. Where did I put all those Lists of my Friends.

5. Why doesn't anyone Ring me any more!

6. Who can I really turn to when I need someone.

Those are the Main Causes of Suicide.

Just those Simple Things!

Now take it one step further, if you really Care?

Ask all your Friends those Questions?

If they miss one? What are you going to do? Stop them or get a New Outfit for the Funeral?

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Posted 10 September 2008 - 07:35 PM

Lovely thought - and one we may find easy to forget while caught up with our own lives and it's various hiccups.
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Posted 10 September 2008 - 08:18 PM

[quote name='MattV' post='940600' date='Sep 11 2008, 06:22 AM']Before the question of whether or not there is a purpose to life is considered, there is another question to be considered:

Must there be a purpose to life?[/quote]
Yes I believe there should. Otherwise, people wouldn't mind ending up with any job despite their academic achievements. People wouldn't mind naming their kids with sequence numbers. People wouldn't need language to communicate with each other. Meaning to life, IMO, is our purpose. We give meaning to what we perceive and experience.
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Posted 10 September 2008 - 10:17 PM

There is a difference between purpose and meaning. And perhaps the answer to the question is in those two words. The purpose of life is to give it meaning.

Life in and of itself has no intrinsic purpose or meaning. It simply is. What we make of life is entirely up to us.

I was born naked and raising hell. Why not go out the same way? :thumbsup:

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 12:49 AM

Yes. That's what I meant MattV. The stuff is there. We give meaning to it. :thumbsup:
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 02:22 AM

Works for me. :thumbsup:

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Posted 11 September 2008 - 08:07 AM

hahaha, but we all eventually die and rot. and your probably miserable years before you die. and your soul doesnt go anywhere, because you dont have one. how do you like them apples?
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Posted 11 September 2008 - 11:31 PM

'Them' apples are tart indeed.

For while I too don't believe in an afterlife, it's only my opinion - and I could be wrong. Either side could be wrong, but that doesn't make the other side 'right' - gentle smile.
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  Posted 14 January 2009 - 01:32 PM

Two themes come up a lot during discussions of depression: (1) a lack of a feeling of connection; (2) a lack of a feeling of "efficacy". There are very few people who wish to live in isolation, and there are fewer who wish not to have any effect on others. Most people have rather modest notions of what their effect on others should be, which is probably a very good thing; it is possible for very small actions or statements to have major effects on the lives of other people. Have you ever noticed that many of the people who are the least depressed are the ones who have little or no concern for others? And then there are those who are very concerned for the welfare of others, and are able to take pleasure in even the smallest victories.

It has been said that depressed folks (not those who are depressed to a psychotic extent) are much more realistic about some aspects of life, and some therapists have encouraged the art of positive illusion. Studies have been done of populations in the U.S. who have survived natural disasters, and those who recover their lives more quickly were more optimistic to begin with. Optimism is an art to be cultivated and it is not to be confused with naivete or blindness to reality. It is simply a refusal to focus wholly on the negative and the ability to place things in a new perspective.

I wish I were an optimist.

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