BleepingComputer.com: The Credibility Of The Bible

Something you will have to take into consideration is how the words were commonly used in that time period and where the translation was made. That could explain for the use of words that otherwise make no sence.

-Steve

Im not going to argue with you about that arcman...but I can say personally I don't get into the whole translation debate, because it doesn't concern me. What does concern me is that God's Word is infallible. Translations have their place.

How come most other religions, including religions with many gods, aren't under such scrutiny as the Bible? It doesn't seem fair that the ACLU is only chasing Christianity out of the country, while every day in the middle-east people pray to Mecca 5 times a day or something like that.

[quote name='Ryan 3000' post='601008' date='Aug 23 2007, 06:35 PM']How come most other religions, including religions with many gods, aren't under such scrutiny as the Bible?[/quote]
Are you saying that the more gods a religion has the more scrutiny it should be put under?

I think he is asking why is it Christianity is the only one being scrutinised to such a degree.

-Steve

[quote name='need TOS' post='601024' date='Aug 23 2007, 06:55 PM']I think he is asking why is it Christianity is the only one being scrutinised to such a degree.[/quote]
But is it? Personally I have seen a LOT more scrutiny about Islam in the press in recent years (not without good reason in my opinion).

I don't know what shows or whatever you are watching Budapest, but I believe there is a much larger mainstream scrutiny of the Bible. I.E. specials on Discovery Channel, History Channel, ABC specials, etc.

In the "press" I have seen next to no scrutiny of the TEXTS of islam.

This post has been edited by jwinathome: 23 August 2007 - 12:18 PM

Yeah but do Christians have to become a radical terrorist group to stop scrutiny? Doesn't seem fair to me.

[quote]I.E. specials on Discovery Channel, History Channel,[/quote]
Yea how come Bible stories have to be scientifically analyzed and put on TV? Scientists in Islam countries don't do that.

This post has been edited by Ryan 3000: 23 August 2007 - 12:19 PM

It may be that God's word is infallible, but the issue seems to remain, what exactly is God's word? Even if we had the most reliable and perfect of original texts, we would still be faced with the problem of translation.
Even if, after reading the original text repeatedly, we can understand the general ideas, when we get to specific and important parts where the meaning can hinge on a single phrase, the problem becomes acute. For example, we lack a true understanding of its nuances because of our limited knowledge of how the original language was used and we must make a decision about the relative importance of that passage to whole.
My only real point here is that translations are very complex creatures, and must be understood as such. God's word may be infallible, but any translation is only a tentative approach to understanding it.
Regards,
John

I dont mind it myself Ryan3000, however, it would be nice if they had a person that actually believed in the divinity of Jesus Christ to give their opinion on the show, instead of always consulting the "Jesus Seminar"

The problem is, they are not interested at all in discovering the truths of the Word of God. Their minds are completely made up that the Bible is fantasy, and they base all of their interpretation of evidence upon that presupposition.

This post has been edited by jwinathome: 23 August 2007 - 12:25 PM

Exactly! They approach the Bible on TV like some random children's story in the sense of "is it possible"? They look at each Bible story in today's terms and even if it's possible, they say 'this COULD happen, but it's extremely unlikely'. Both Christians and scientists are narrow-minded about their beliefs, which really does not contribute to a good relationship.

This post has been edited by Ryan 3000: 23 August 2007 - 12:31 PM

[quote name='jgweed' post='601044' date='Aug 23 2007, 01:23 PM']It may be that God's word is infallible, but the issue seems to remain, what exactly is God's word? Even if we had the most reliable and perfect of original texts, we would still be faced with the problem of translation.
Even if, after reading the original text repeatedly, we can understand the general ideas, when we get to specific and important parts where the meaning can hinge on a single phrase, the problem becomes acute. For example, we lack a true understanding of its nuances because of our limited knowledge of how the original language was used and we must make a decision about the relative importance of that passage to whole.
My only real point here is that translations are very complex creatures, and must be understood as such. God's word may be infallible, but any translation is only a tentative approach to understanding it.
Regards,
John[/quote]
I simply disagree John (being a pig-headed Christian), I believe the Holy Spirit will guide you into or teach you all truth. Translation is simply not a factor when it comes to knowing the heart and mind of God.

The Bible says in John 16:13 (NKJV)


Right Ryan...they keep rehashing the same age-old arguments that held no weight then, and hold no weight now. There is a reason why its impossible to find imperfections in a perfect Jesus.

This post has been edited by jwinathome: 23 August 2007 - 12:33 PM

[quote name='jwinathome' post='601040' date='Aug 23 2007, 07:17 PM']I don't know what shows or whatever you are watching Budapest, but I believe there is a much larger mainstream scrutiny of the Bible. I.E. specials on Discovery Channel, History Channel, ABC specials, etc.[/quote]
Well...I don't watch any American TV, so I have no idea what they're showing on those channels.

It certainly isn't very helpful to the Christian side of the argument that there are a lot of different translations of the Bible and they all have something to say that is somewhat different.

Is it just me or is the Software and Hardware forum less busy lately?

This post has been edited by Ryan 3000: 23 August 2007 - 12:39 PM

I think there are very rare occasions when a translation has left something out that is important...but honestly, I don't see that it hurts Christianity to have so many translations. It has helped many people discover who Jesus is. Its hard to complain about that. I think I remember something also about the Bible being the most purchased and obtained text ever in history.