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Che Guevara
So I'm still trying to get my webserver running and I decided to use site to help redirect the port because I think its possible that Charter (my cable ISP) is blocking port 80. Anyways, I used there open port tool at http://canyouseeme.org/ to see what port was open that I could use. Heres the problem, I checked several ports and none could be seen. Basically, all my ports are closed at least it says that, my firewalls down, not really sure what to do next. Any ideas?
groovicus
Are you using a router? Most routers (that I can think of) have firewalls enabled by default.
Che Guevara
yes i am using a router, but I already thoughtr of that and disabled it. I even tried putting my static IP in the DMZ anbd still nothing.
groovicus
Something that you are running is blocking the ports. If all of your firewalls are disabled, then you should still be able to see the unblocked ports. Have you tried flushing your iptables? Instead of disabling the firewall on your router, did you try forwarding the port?
oldf@rt
My isp, Cox, has blocked usage of home/personal computers from functioning as a web server. Under your ISPs acceptable usage policy you might find a hint.

Here is part from COX: Commercial Use. The Service is designed for personal, non-business related use of the Internet and may not be used for commercial purposes. You may not resell or otherwise charge others to use the residential Service. You agree not to use the Service for operation as an Internet service provider, or for any other business enterprise, including, without limitation, IP address translation or similar facilities intended to provide additional access. Cox Business Services offers commercial Internet services.

Cox does provide web space for personal web pages, I dont know about your isp .
Che Guevara
ok so i called my ISP Charter and asked them after like 20 min of going through many computer illiterate people. It was funny though cuz i asked someone, "I was wondering, does charter allow you to use a computer as web server and let people access it through their internet?" and some girl paused for a second and was like... wait, what? what do you mean? so i said it again and she's like well how bout i transfer you to a different area where they should be able to help you. ANYWAYS, so they don't block any ports and they allow it so i don't really understand what could be the problem.
groovicus
Being as how we know zip about your setup, neither do we.
Che Guevara
Ok here are my specs

Processor: AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+
MOBO: MSI K9N4 SLI
Video: EVGA e-Geforce 7600GS
PSU: stalk crapy chinese one or something soon to be replaced)
Memory: 2x OCZ 512MB sticks
HDD: 120GB WD and a 80GB WD
LaN: wired NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller (build into MOBO) but also have a Realtek RTL8139 I have disabled)
Sound: build in something doesnt matter really

I have Sygate Personal Firewall
a Linksys WRT54GX2 router
and of course a crapy modem my ISP gave us to use
need anything else?
groovicus
Operating System would really be helpful.. huh.gif
Che Guevara
oh yeah Windows XP SP2
groovicus
1. Port forward Port 80 on your router.
2. Allow port 80 through Sygate
3. Allow port 80 through your Windows firewall.

That's all it can be. One of those three is blocking the port, unless you have some other firewalling software installed, like maybe some trial version that you forgot about?
Che Guevara
it cant be any firewall i've disabled them all. I've tried port forward on port 80 canyouseeme.org does not see port 80 open.
groovicus
If all of your firewalls were disabled, you would see a ton of ports open. There is no other way of them being blocked. Just a thought, do you have more than one computer on your network?
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I've tried port forward on port 80

You have to be a bit more specific. You tried to port forward on what? Your router? Sygate?
Che Guevara
I disabled all my firewalls and i used my router to forward it. Then I tried using No-Ip.com to forward it too since i thought it was because of my ISP. Using that I forwared it to some random port and forwarded that port on my router. Still no glory.
Grinler
My guess it is the linksys. Do you have two computers on your network? If so can you telnet to port 80 on your web server from that other computer? If so, its not a software firewall issue, but a hardware one which points to the linksys.
Che Guevara
well i looked at my router and say DDNS and i looked at it. It says if i want a DNS I'm required to use DnyDNS.org so i made and acount and tried to use it. I doubt it worked but worth a try right. I also don't think it will work because I wasn't able to use telnet to connect to it either through the website URL, the router ip for it 192.168.1.201, and the modem ip 68.*.147.200. all on port 80 none connected except my modem ip but it wouldnt go past press any key to continue.
groovicus
You are getting the cart ahead of the horse. First of all, you will not be able to connect to your webpage from within the network by typing the url of the website unless your router...umm..I can't remember why, right off hand. It has to do with a router setting, domain name resolution being handled by the router.. something, something..

Ok, not helpful.

But you're not helping us either, so we re just wasting our time. Before you do anything else, do you have more than one system on your network? Just a simple yes or no will do. smile.gif

Do you have a domain registered somewhere? Again, a simple yes or no will suffice.

Let's start there.
Che Guevara
yes and kind of its a free domain from No-Ip its like Steitenhause.ath.cx



using that url through my laptop it works fine but my laptop is also on my network, but my friend in a different state can't see my site so idk.
Grinler
You never answered us. Can you telnet to port 80 of your webserver from an internal machine? If so, then it is an issue with your port forwarding/dynamic dns on your hardware router (linksys)
groovicus
Do you have the domain pointing to your server?

EDIT: My research shows that Charter does indeed block http, ftp, smtp, etc. You may want to look at their home pages yourself and see what services they really provide.
Che Guevara
Firstly I do not believe that they do block them, I did call but the woman that told me could have been a complete moron with computers so I emailed them. Also I tried telnet and that didn't work. If it is the fault of my linksys will i need a new router, if so whats a recommendation.
groovicus
We are trying very hard to help you, but you don't seem to want to answer our questions. Hundreds of thousands of people use Linksys routers and are successfully able to host. If you have not registered your domain with a domain name server, then no matter what router you buy, it will never get to you. Which is why I asked the question:
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Do you have the domain pointing to your server?


You have already established that you can hit the server from inside the network, so you know that part is working. So now we need to figure out why it is not finding you. Again, if you are running a Windows server setup, you will not be able to type in www.example.com from within your network and have it resolve to your network. But you can telnet to port 80 using your ip address as in the following example:
telnet <your ip here> 80
If you can not connect to port 80 doing that, then the service is blocked. I don't care what they are telling you. Qwest told me that they didn't block smtp, and I later found on their website that they did.

Additionally, if you have more than one system on your network, and you do not have port forwarding going to the proper system (or any system for that matter), it will not know where to pass the request.
Che Guevara
yes i do have the domain pointing to my server through my modem IP on port 80. I use my internal IP as 192.168.1.201 and i have m server listening to that on port 80. To straighten this out by telneting to it do you mean using my internal or my external IP?
oldf@rt
Charter is blocking port 80. Anytime that I try to contact your server here is the message:

The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading.

tracert gives the following:

tracert Steitenhause.ath.cx

Tracing route to Steitenhause.ath.cx [68.187.147.200]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 7 ms 8 ms 9 ms 10.148.64.1
2 23 ms 8 ms 8 ms 68.2.8.65
3 6 ms 10 ms 6 ms 68.2.12.74
4 9 ms 22 ms * 68.2.12.1
5 10 ms 25 ms 9 ms chnddsrj02-ae1.0.rd.ph.cox.net [68.2.14.13]
6 9 ms 9 ms 8 ms 12.117.164.221
7 9 ms 65 ms 66 ms tbr2012701.phmaz.ip.att.net [12.123.206.30]
8 66 ms 65 ms 66 ms tbr2012701.phmaz.ip.att.net [12.123.206.30]
9 67 ms 66 ms 67 ms tbr2.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.122.10.81]
10 64 ms 64 ms 65 ms tbr1.sl9mo.ip.att.net [12.122.10.89]
11 67 ms 64 ms 64 ms tbr2.sl9mo.ip.att.net [12.122.9.142]
12 66 ms 67 ms 65 ms gar1.mpsmn.ip.att.net [12.122.80.9]
13 68 ms 64 ms 65 ms 12.126.248.14
14 65 ms 68 ms * 12.126.248.14
15 * 68 ms 73 ms ts2bflomn.roch.mn.charter.com [24.196.48.26]
16 66 ms 91 ms 66 ms ts2bflomn.roch.mn.charter.com [24.196.48.26]
17 76 ms 77 ms 77 ms 68-187-147-200.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com [68.187.
147.200]

Trace complete.
Che Guevara
thats my ip so what do i do than i have a website no-ip.com that i can use to forward theport as something else should i try that. and what port would be a good choice for that.
oldf@rt
You cant have a website on your computer: you must use the space charter gives you or go with another web host outside charter.
Che Guevara
ok so groovicus was right port 80 was blocked. i used No-IP.com (free by the way for those who would like to use it) to redirect the port to 157 and then i forwarded that port on my router to my internal ip, then i changed the ip port on my conf file in apache and it worked thanks for the help all and thanks for your time. And I do have a website without using another web host cuz im doin it right now http://steitenhause.myvnc.com/ thats it not much as of yet but when i do something with it it will work and thats what matters right now. anyways THANKS ALOT EVERYONE ive been workin on this so long... anyways thanks for your time and patience with my uninformedness and thanks for getting it going
oldf@rt
Just be careful ISPs dont like a personal service being used as business/semi business. If the discover, they may want to charge you business rates.

web site came up.
groovicus
Glad you finally got it going. For future reference, when you need to test your ports, you telnet using your external IP. And when someone trying to help you asks questions, answer them. You will get helped a lot faster. thumbup2.gif
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