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Scientists are developing the next generation of robot-driven cars and predict they could be shuttling humans around by the year 2030, a conference was told. The first wave of intelligent robot cars, capable of understanding and reacting to the world around them, will be tested this November in a competition run by the US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). Scientists are developing vehicles which will not only be driven by robots independently, but will be able to operate in a simulated city environment. “In the past it was sufficient for a vehicle just to perceive the environment, said Sebastian Thrun, an associate professor of computer science and electrical engineering at Stanford University.
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QUOTE(Walkman @ Mar 6 2007, 03:31 PM) 
Scientists are developing the next generation of robot-driven cars and predict they could be shuttling humans around by the year 2030, a conference was told. The first wave of intelligent robot cars, capable of understanding and reacting to the world around them, will be tested this November in a competition run by the US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). Scientists are developing vehicles which will not only be driven by robots independently, but will be able to operate in a simulated city environment. “In the past it was sufficient for a vehicle just to perceive the environment, said Sebastian Thrun, an associate professor of computer science and electrical engineering at Stanford University.
http://jayed.us/2007/02/18/robot-driven-ca...-roads-by-2030/
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http://jayed.us/2007/02/18/robot-driven-ca...-roads-by-2030/
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What happens if the Robot car kills someboby by mistake.Who sues who?
You are mixing Robot Cars here with Pedestrians.Just a thought.
Most likely never to happen. The problem is a DTSM stated who is to blame in an accident? If the programing malfunctions and kills people the auto manufacturers are at fault. No auto manufacturer will go there they like to dream about it and design for it (it got us On Star and OBDII) but the legal issues will kill this idea in the end.
BTW: OnStar has the capability to:
1) Lock you in your car
2) Shut your car down with out your autorization
3) Track where your car is and what speed it is moving at all times
I have worked with a system very similar to OnStar and it has many of the basic functions. We use it to track trucks, send messages to the drivers, monitor telemetry. In the system we use if used in its full functionality it can Derate power and even shutdown a truck if the need arises.
Welcome to drive by wire
BTW: OnStar has the capability to:
1) Lock you in your car
2) Shut your car down with out your autorization
3) Track where your car is and what speed it is moving at all times
I have worked with a system very similar to OnStar and it has many of the basic functions. We use it to track trucks, send messages to the drivers, monitor telemetry. In the system we use if used in its full functionality it can Derate power and even shutdown a truck if the need arises.
Welcome to drive by wire
Another edition of technology nobody needs....
This is to the point of pathetic that we need cars that drive themselves.
Hey I have a idea lets figure out a way to drive less! Less accidents less fuel used and all kinds of things could be solved that way.
Think of it this way with this and the stupid on star.
The government is in control! Think if you are innocent and try to run and you got this in your car.They can stop you and lock you in.
Think of it as taking away your abilities to run.
I'd rather our government go back to way the way it was 200 years ago or more when the government kept its self out of peoples lives.
This is to the point of pathetic that we need cars that drive themselves.
Hey I have a idea lets figure out a way to drive less! Less accidents less fuel used and all kinds of things could be solved that way.
Think of it this way with this and the stupid on star.
The government is in control! Think if you are innocent and try to run and you got this in your car.They can stop you and lock you in.
Think of it as taking away your abilities to run.
I'd rather our government go back to way the way it was 200 years ago or more when the government kept its self out of peoples lives.
They must be saying that they plan on not having:
a. no more drunk drivers, and that means less court cases for them, and at the same time taking away all the money they've been getting on such.
b. no more traffic police (not unless they're robots too, and they chase the speeding robots)
The must be saying that they plan on shrinking down the insurance plans, but put people under government insurance plans, because I don't see anyone insuring a robot to their vehicle.
I would also imagine that more and more people will be walking because they will refuse to have such, if it were a law. I could see them trying to pass such a law too. And at the technological stage man is at now, I can see it happening too. I would imagine that the non electronic vehicles will need to saved as long as possible, something like '92 and down, and up from '92 to less that an 2000 model. Many cars since '92 have already been fitted for the tracking anyway.. and like I said before, once they get the networks and all together, millions of vehicles are going to be trackable instantly.
I can also see this becoming more of a technological wave anyway, because by 2030, we probably won't have any oil/gas anyway. So I can see the preparedness because of that, but I couldn't see a robot driving me around.
Why not just send the robot out to do the errands? At least you know you weren't behind the wheel.
Well taxi drives, limo, bus, shuttle, emergency vehicles, delivery people etc., will all be out of work. That would mean that billions of people world-wide will lose their jobs because of the computers taking over.
With all of the technology I've seen in my lifetime concerning vehicles and electronics/robotics, I'd say they're not too far off from implementing it on the world.
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I had to add the red info. My bad.
a. no more drunk drivers, and that means less court cases for them, and at the same time taking away all the money they've been getting on such.
b. no more traffic police (not unless they're robots too, and they chase the speeding robots)
The must be saying that they plan on shrinking down the insurance plans, but put people under government insurance plans, because I don't see anyone insuring a robot to their vehicle.
I would also imagine that more and more people will be walking because they will refuse to have such, if it were a law. I could see them trying to pass such a law too. And at the technological stage man is at now, I can see it happening too. I would imagine that the non electronic vehicles will need to saved as long as possible, something like '92 and down, and up from '92 to less that an 2000 model. Many cars since '92 have already been fitted for the tracking anyway.. and like I said before, once they get the networks and all together, millions of vehicles are going to be trackable instantly.
I can also see this becoming more of a technological wave anyway, because by 2030, we probably won't have any oil/gas anyway. So I can see the preparedness because of that, but I couldn't see a robot driving me around.
Why not just send the robot out to do the errands? At least you know you weren't behind the wheel.
Well taxi drives, limo, bus, shuttle, emergency vehicles, delivery people etc., will all be out of work. That would mean that billions of people world-wide will lose their jobs because of the computers taking over.
With all of the technology I've seen in my lifetime concerning vehicles and electronics/robotics, I'd say they're not too far off from implementing it on the world.
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I had to add the red info. My bad.
With my age now, I think I'm not going to see those kind of cars. 
I believe we will still have oil. As we use less we keep more around. Then they find new ways to squeeze more out of what they have.
Yeah I see people getting rid of the tracking devices and such.
Yeah I see people getting rid of the tracking devices and such.
Not go go off topic, but I don't think we'll have oil by then simply because of world-wide infrastructures and building, and transportation, and not to mention the big bulky vehicles they have been making that takes more and more oil/gas to operate. I mean, come on... who really needs a Hummer in the US?.. not unless you're on that type of terrain, and a single person, with a bulky van, but never transport anything in it. It's gotten way too much out of the way.
Also, since the early '70's, the oil has been peaked, and there haven't been a single discovery of oil since then. If you say there has been, it wouldn't be accurate. Oil companies drill for oil and for tax purposes, they will only file for what they are willing to pay taxes on at that time. New oil discoveries are from the same sources, but at different time intervals, which doesn't make it new found oil... it's a tax paying manipulation they do.
Besides, the only way the word reserves can ever exist is that there is the possibility and (or) the probability of a shortage of something. If there were no possible shortages of anything, there wouldn't be a need for that word, and countries surely wouldn't be reserving it. The only exception to that would be that all the machinery broke down and there's no way to pump the oil from the earth.
Also, there are groups that have made and already driven vehicles that do not have a transmission, doesn't have any components in the vehicle that takes any kind of oil.
Soon, the only oil that will be left on this earth will be protected, and only used to operate the old machineries when the electronics grid fails everywhere, or those willing to pay thousands just for a barrel, or hundreds for a few quarts or such.
Also, since the early '70's, the oil has been peaked, and there haven't been a single discovery of oil since then. If you say there has been, it wouldn't be accurate. Oil companies drill for oil and for tax purposes, they will only file for what they are willing to pay taxes on at that time. New oil discoveries are from the same sources, but at different time intervals, which doesn't make it new found oil... it's a tax paying manipulation they do.
Besides, the only way the word reserves can ever exist is that there is the possibility and (or) the probability of a shortage of something. If there were no possible shortages of anything, there wouldn't be a need for that word, and countries surely wouldn't be reserving it. The only exception to that would be that all the machinery broke down and there's no way to pump the oil from the earth.
Also, there are groups that have made and already driven vehicles that do not have a transmission, doesn't have any components in the vehicle that takes any kind of oil.
Soon, the only oil that will be left on this earth will be protected, and only used to operate the old machineries when the electronics grid fails everywhere, or those willing to pay thousands just for a barrel, or hundreds for a few quarts or such.
i seen on a show here in the uk called top gear that you could run a car on used cooking oil and they proved it as well so who knows maybe in afew years cp-30 will be going to the nearest mcdonalds for a fill up from the fryers lol
There is more oil in alaska than all the oil in the middle east combined we just have not tapped into it all yet.
Regardless I would like to see some electric cars out and about.
They take off faster for one.
Regardless I would like to see some electric cars out and about.
They take off faster for one.
To mz30,
Yes, those conversions been out for years now. The only problem with it is that right now you can only convert a diesel vehicle to run the cooking oil, and we know every don't have a diesel. But a person that does have a diesel vehicle, they can buy the kit on the Internet and do it yourself. I've looked for one one before, but I was upset to know that it only works on diesel vehicles.
To cowsgonemadd3,
I would definitely agree with that. And plus they're cleaner for the air and the environment. I saw quite a few documentaries where people had all electric vehicles, and was loving it too. And not only do they save money, they are very, very, quiet too. That is the only downfall though. They're too quiet. You could stand next to one and never know it's running.
But still, an all electric car, I would like, but without any type of spyware and tracking devices, and definitely no robot driven/remote controlled vehicles.
Yes, those conversions been out for years now. The only problem with it is that right now you can only convert a diesel vehicle to run the cooking oil, and we know every don't have a diesel. But a person that does have a diesel vehicle, they can buy the kit on the Internet and do it yourself. I've looked for one one before, but I was upset to know that it only works on diesel vehicles.
To cowsgonemadd3,
I would definitely agree with that. And plus they're cleaner for the air and the environment. I saw quite a few documentaries where people had all electric vehicles, and was loving it too. And not only do they save money, they are very, very, quiet too. That is the only downfall though. They're too quiet. You could stand next to one and never know it's running.
But still, an all electric car, I would like, but without any type of spyware and tracking devices, and definitely no robot driven/remote controlled vehicles.
QUOTE(mz30 @ Mar 7 2007, 04:02 PM)
i seen on a show here in the uk called top gear that you could run a car on used cooking oil and they proved it as well so who knows maybe in afew years cp-30 will be going to the nearest mcdonalds for a fill up from the fryers lol
Hi, just thought i'd add a bit of useless info to the topic
... Ladas, them old russian bangers can actually run on unleaded even though their engines havnt been converted, my mate did it for years....yeah, and many of my friends mix their petrol down with oil to stretch it out, it is naughty though so (B C readers dont risk it, its dangerous and illegal 
) But err, yeah they been doin it for years, i think the only danger is that it gets a-lot hotter than other feul so you run the risk of it catching fire and your car exploding he he, never happened to any of my friends though, but the risk still remains 
.There we go he he
NICE ONE!!! nn23
QUOTE(Walkman @ Mar 8 2007, 07:54 AM)
Not go go off topic, but I don't think we'll have oil by then simply because of world-wide infrastructures and building, and transportation, and not to mention the big bulky vehicles they have been making that takes more and more oil/gas to operate. I mean, come on... who really needs a Hummer in the US?.. not unless you're on that type of terrain, and a single person, with a bulky van, but never transport anything in it. It's gotten way too much out of the way.
Also, since the early '70's, the oil has been peaked, and there haven't been a single discovery of oil since then. If you say there has been, it wouldn't be accurate. Oil companies drill for oil and for tax purposes, they will only file for what they are willing to pay taxes on at that time. New oil discoveries are from the same sources, but at different time intervals, which doesn't make it new found oil... it's a tax paying manipulation they do.
Besides, the only way the word reserves can ever exist is that there is the possibility and (or) the probability of a shortage of something. If there were no possible shortages of anything, there wouldn't be a need for that word, and countries surely wouldn't be reserving it. The only exception to that would be that all the machinery broke down and there's no way to pump the oil from the earth.
Also, there are groups that have made and already driven vehicles that do not have a transmission, doesn't have any components in the vehicle that takes any kind of oil.
Soon, the only oil that will be left on this earth will be protected, and only used to operate the old machineries when the electronics grid fails everywhere, or those willing to pay thousands just for a barrel, or hundreds for a few quarts or such.
Also, since the early '70's, the oil has been peaked, and there haven't been a single discovery of oil since then. If you say there has been, it wouldn't be accurate. Oil companies drill for oil and for tax purposes, they will only file for what they are willing to pay taxes on at that time. New oil discoveries are from the same sources, but at different time intervals, which doesn't make it new found oil... it's a tax paying manipulation they do.
Besides, the only way the word reserves can ever exist is that there is the possibility and (or) the probability of a shortage of something. If there were no possible shortages of anything, there wouldn't be a need for that word, and countries surely wouldn't be reserving it. The only exception to that would be that all the machinery broke down and there's no way to pump the oil from the earth.
Also, there are groups that have made and already driven vehicles that do not have a transmission, doesn't have any components in the vehicle that takes any kind of oil.
Soon, the only oil that will be left on this earth will be protected, and only used to operate the old machineries when the electronics grid fails everywhere, or those willing to pay thousands just for a barrel, or hundreds for a few quarts or such.
With due respect,Walkman,you haven't done your research on this subject.New oil reserves are being discovered almost Daily.I suggest more serious research and then repost accurate Data.
UAE and Kawait have an estimated 195 gigabarels of oil reserves.They produce 0.8 gigabarels per year,which equates to 100 years of oil reserves left,and this not taking into account Known Gas reserves.
I would suggest you Google "Oil Discoveries New Data"and stop trying to spread Panic/Paranoia.
I am not flaming you,merely stating you don't always get it right,and neither do I for that matter.
Here's a start.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves
Not to mention the oil sands in canada.
QUOTE(cowsgonemadd3 @ Mar 8 2007, 12:26 PM)
Not to mention the oil sands in canada.
I did read that CGM3 and was amazed at what I read.
Oil producing Countries say that Oil is in short supply to regulate Supply and increase Profit Margains.
If you had oil wells in your back yard,you would want maximum profit also,I would imagine.
Shortage of oil or not, most people have a true 'love affair' with their vehicles - and there'd be little pleasure left if a robot was driving us around.
And besides, can you imagine if a multi-robot 'glitch' happened at the same time - eep!
And besides, can you imagine if a multi-robot 'glitch' happened at the same time - eep!
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I guess I,m just curious They just drilled 5 recently new wells south of My property. & they now have pumps on them .
Pumping this strange black substance . Is that not discovering oil ? Sorry allthough I live in the boonies in Kansas I,m right smack in the middle of the oil fields. In western kansas there hitting some of the biggest producing oil & gas wells in the country weekly . Not trying to get in the middle of something, just trying to understand the debate, which has unfortunatly taken the turn for an argument . I guess. Cowboy
Pumping this strange black substance . Is that not discovering oil ? Sorry allthough I live in the boonies in Kansas I,m right smack in the middle of the oil fields. In western kansas there hitting some of the biggest producing oil & gas wells in the country weekly . Not trying to get in the middle of something, just trying to understand the debate, which has unfortunatly taken the turn for an argument . I guess. Cowboy
QUOTE(cowboy357 @ Mar 8 2007, 06:32 AM)
I guess I,m just curious They just drilled 5 recently new wells south of My property. & they now have pumps on them .
Pumping this strange black substance . Is that not discovering oil ? Sorry allthough I live in the boonies in Kansas I,m right smack in the middle of the oil fields. In western kansas there hitting some of the biggest producing oil & gas wells in the country weekly . Not trying to get in the middle of something, just trying to understand the debate, which has unfortunatly taken the turn for an argument . I guess. Cowboy
Pumping this strange black substance . Is that not discovering oil ? Sorry allthough I live in the boonies in Kansas I,m right smack in the middle of the oil fields. In western kansas there hitting some of the biggest producing oil & gas wells in the country weekly . Not trying to get in the middle of something, just trying to understand the debate, which has unfortunatly taken the turn for an argument . I guess. Cowboy
And Alberta is the richest Province in Canada, simply because of the same reasons. Although, strangely enough, here in Canada we pay significantly higher prices for gas apparently than one does in the States. But then again, apparently everything costs more in my lovely country - gentle smile.
Maybe he is saying they have known of all the oil since the 70's just not put pumps on them yet.
Was reading a web page a few minutes ago about the expected oil Production in Canada.
The present output is 1,065,000Barrels a Day.
By 2010 the output will be 2,000,000 Barrels a Day.
By 2020 the output will be 4,800,000 Barrels a Day.
To me that doesn't sound like we are about to run out of oil,at all anytime soon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athabasca_Tar_Sands
EDIT.New OIL Fields with large deposits are being discovered Offshore here in OZ on a regular basis.They are Capping the OIL wells,
and forcing us to pay World Oil Prices.There is more profit to sell overseas oil at high Prices to us,than let us use our own Oil at a cheap Price.
The present output is 1,065,000Barrels a Day.
By 2010 the output will be 2,000,000 Barrels a Day.
By 2020 the output will be 4,800,000 Barrels a Day.
To me that doesn't sound like we are about to run out of oil,at all anytime soon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athabasca_Tar_Sands
EDIT.New OIL Fields with large deposits are being discovered Offshore here in OZ on a regular basis.They are Capping the OIL wells,
and forcing us to pay World Oil Prices.There is more profit to sell overseas oil at high Prices to us,than let us use our own Oil at a cheap Price.
I think its not only that but when the rest run out then you have oil to sell them for a high price.
Even if, through improved exploration/extraction techniques, we continue to find and exploit new reserves, will that additional quantity be able to satisfy the ever-increasing demand, and that at a economically feasible price? And for how long a time?
Regards,
John
Regards,
John
QUOTE(jgweed @ Mar 9 2007, 12:55 PM)
Even if, through improved exploration/extraction techniques, we continue to find and exploit new reserves, will that additional quantity be able to satisfy the ever-increasing demand, and that at a economically feasible price? And for how long a time?
Regards,
John
Regards,
John
That's the Million Dollar Question,John.I believe eventually supply won't satisfy demand.Most large Countries are working on alternate energy sources,and when that time comes, we can only hope we have eliminated most of our demand for Oil and the byproducts.Our Government is planning on going Nuclear with Power Stations,with the help of Wind Power to ease some of the demand on Power Stations.Electric Cars are a step in the right direction IMO,if they can design Batteries that don't Pollute.There will be many other inventions before we run low on Oil,I'm sure.We have to remain Positive.
I agree, DTSM, that we have to remain positive, but I also think it prudent to hedge our bets now and begin the tasks of conservation and searches for alternate sources of fuel. The consequences of ignoring the problem and not taking some major preliminary steps are too awesome to contemplate.
Regards.
John
Regards.
John
I love my diesel and most likely will never give it up for an electric or hybrid. The power is just not in these cars and most likley never will be. However I have switched to Soy-based Diesel products (similar to E-85 Gasoline) but only because in the US they are introducing Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel this year and with out the sulfur the fuel loses most of its lubricating quailties
We could go all electric 2 years from now or sooner.
Has anyone else notices the oil companies are protecting their market?
They buy things like all the ethanol the corn and such.
I have read we could produce enough energy to feed america in solar panels now for a few billion. We spend more than that on war each year. We spend it on Dogs, and eating out.
Has anyone else notices the oil companies are protecting their market?
They buy things like all the ethanol the corn and such.
I have read we could produce enough energy to feed america in solar panels now for a few billion. We spend more than that on war each year. We spend it on Dogs, and eating out.
while we could power america through solar panels the amount of panels it would requrie and the space to put them is extramely high I heard some where it would take most of the mid west to do this. then you have to double the size in case its a cloudy day somewhere and have battery backups the size of hoover dam to supply if the whole system where to shut down.
Yes but thats just going all solar.
It would be much more efficient if power co's put panels on houses and charged for them. Or people did it themselves and over time they would pay for themselves.
We already have lots of hydro power. If all the dams or just more of them had these turbines put on them we could make a lot of power their too as long as it didn't affect the enviroment any more than the dam itself.
If we all had electric cars and made our own power do you know how many billions the Gas co's and electric co's would loose?
They buy out houses that are self sufficient. I saw this on pbs I think. Power co came and bought a self sufficient house. Maybe the ideas if they were not patented.
It would be much more efficient if power co's put panels on houses and charged for them. Or people did it themselves and over time they would pay for themselves.
We already have lots of hydro power. If all the dams or just more of them had these turbines put on them we could make a lot of power their too as long as it didn't affect the enviroment any more than the dam itself.
If we all had electric cars and made our own power do you know how many billions the Gas co's and electric co's would loose?
They buy out houses that are self sufficient. I saw this on pbs I think. Power co came and bought a self sufficient house. Maybe the ideas if they were not patented.
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