Glad Ken got a laugh as well. I haven't laughed so much in ages.I think laughter is the best medicine,and the other posters saw the funny side as well.All in fun.I was looking for a puppy with sad eyes,quickly on the net, and came across the pic I posted. I thought Yeah Yeah.

Uh, no -

he's still barking at the neighbor lady.

i know its a bit late, but i just saw the picture myself LMAO freaky ha ha haha ahhh

See, you never know what the other BC members look like in real life, 'nn23'

ha haaa, and there i was thinking all along you were some wise wizard

Well, its taken a-lot of work, but i finally feel like i am starting to reach my full potential *nods head with pride*.

Geez nn23 can u see in the dark with those lovely eyes.

as for plastic surgery---do what u want to yourself but leave the poor animals alone. lols

I see the tounge exercises have been working well nn23, Keep up the good work!!

I've reconsidered my position on this matter -

"Replying to Plastic Surgery"


I now believe that if you have any

plastic parts, maybe you do need surgery.

Your Pic cracked me up 'NN23' I just stared at it Speechless.

Hello

I am looking for any women out there who has had plastic surgery in the past but has since regretted it. I hope I am not offending anyone by this request. First of all I am a university student researching on plastic surgery and the emotional impacts it has on women. You will not be identified. I am simply wanting to learn about your experiences.

If any women are interested, please email me at: *********

Thanks

Debs

Hi Debs -

You probably shouldn't post your email address.

They could send you a Personal Message on the board, and exchange email addresses there.

Otherwise,

to the board.

Pls edit your post and delete your address. This site is viewed worldwide.

I had an upper eyelid bletheroplasty 10 years ago in my 40's I am still happy I did it.

This is one of the first things to do: it is minimally invasive/dangerous, quick recovery, and then you get to wear eyeshadow again and it shows!!!

It was a man who advised me to do this 'cause he had it done and we are both still happy with it. Now I would like to have a few more nips and tucks,wish I could afford. But if I just would stop eating ice cream my face wouldn't be so damm different

Plz don't tell the boys how old I am. I am supposed to be 50.

PS: did we lose the smiley with the big, toothy smile?

nn23, I didn't realize what a hottie you are!!!! Maybe on another planet? (where's that toothy smiley??)
I bet if I put my glasses on I could find it.

That's another thing, Debs. I HATE not being able to see close up. Tell us about your paper! Is it for school or are you thinking of something special? ohgeez, I just looked at your screenname and I am guessing what you are thinking about... I wouldn't do it in a million years... why don't you watch some of those surgeries on TV? Now, if it is for reconstructive purposes that is a different thing altogether and I would never advise against it. But well-kept bodies are attractive and well-proportioned. Look at the gals on "Desperate Housewives". Especially "Gabby". She doesn't need a thing... Right, guys?

This one? If so then click on "Show All".

Dear Debs and peeps,

I apologize for my strange entry. It seems I did not read the first page, and I thought Debs had started the forum.

Sorry about that, Debs, I hope I did not offend you. I gottta stop writing when it is late at night, I get myself into trouble. I am truly sorry if I hurt your feelings.

I really can't tell anything from a person's screen name and am no mind reader. I recently got acquainted with a Bleeping member whose name made me think it was a wild-a!!! chickie who rides the mechanical bulls in Texas. Turns out "HE" is a scientist and a very gentle person.

My daughter would kill me for this, but she is considering increasing her "we must, wemust, increase our .... " Oh, I just do not want her to do that. She has not had children yet and the invasiveness of this type of surgery hurts me just to think about it. But she says that it will make her feel better about herself. She is small boned, "short" and slim, very well proportioned, with a figure like Gabby's. But she sees her Mama after 2 babies and during hormone replacement surgery and she wants a "rack" like mine. I think she'd look fat if she increased more than one size. Plus, I dated a PI lawyer during a class action lawsuit against the makers of implants that leaked and caused all kinds of serious disease. Now, they are using salt water, but, darn... OUCH!

I went to college in New Orleans when breast implants were new. My cousins came into town and wanted to see a strip show. I said ok as long as we could go see the female impersonators. When the women leaned back, their breasts stood up like madonna's metal-armor looking thing. I'd wonder what man would want that, but obviously lots do b/c I saw a show on TV where the guy was some ex wrestler and his wife a bleached blonde with at least a 55 inch bust. She was far too old for them to be so tight, so they must have been a present from and for her husband.

Debs, if you want to clarify your research, you can PM me. I might still be offbase and that's not what you are considering at all. Of all the things I've lost I miss my mind the most. Are you new to the site? Welcome, and I hope we did not get off to a bad start.

PS: the female impersonators were a hoot! I swear some were so pretty I couldn't tell they were men until they sat down. Did y'all know that a man, because of the difference in pelvic structure, CANNOT sit down into a chair like a woman can? Ok all y'all doctors; hit me! (thanks, Cozy)

DSTM,

Sorry to all who has posted before me, I haven't read everyone's reply, I a little tired and if I kept reading and scrolling I"d end with motion sickness......

DSTM,

I've read your initial post and firstly, I have to say, I am horrified....no mortified that some sick, mentally challenged human being would inflict their own personal ideals on what is a beautiful creature and perfect to our creator......I am at a loss for words!

I can not let myself even concieve that there are people out there that are that self absorbed, fanatically obsessed about the outer shell of all souls that walk this Earth, that they would morally, intellectually and emotionally inflict this sort of mindless surgery on such beautiful, loyal, trusty creatures. Creatures in return that could not give one hoot whether you have 20 toes, four heads, one eye and a nose that is inverted because all they care about is that you love them back, take care of them and respect them for who they are!!!!!

I don't know whether to cry, scream, rage or get more air into me.......horrified, absolutely horrified.

In regards to what people want to do, well its their choice and if it works for them...good on them. Me if I don't have to have someone, cut, scrap, pull, tuck, pump, add and suck any part of me for reasons other than my health....it ain't going to happen!!!!!


Ta

Hi 'ghostwriter' Excellent Post My thoughts exactly.As far as this Surgery on People,if not for Health reasons,Deformaties or injuries,are totally unnecessary.I think these procedures, are going to come back to haunt them, when they get older, and start to lose Body fat and muscle mass,They are going to look Ghastly.IMHO.Why not be satisfied how one looks and "Grow Old Gracefully".

I completely agree DSTM! That should be one of our goals throughout life, to age gracefully. This can only be accomplished through diligence and moderation. Too many people want to live fast for 50 years, then wonder why their bodies are rejecting their souls. One can still enjoy all the little sins without going overboard .

It will be interesting to see all these women my age, 25-30, when they are 80. Worn out skin, hair, and bones; but perfectly perky breasts!

I don't agree

You should like what you have!

I think this whole "I want bigger "boobs" is sad.

Fake ones are just that fake. I read most regret getting them done like 67%!

I dont feel comfortable talking about this topic as a guy but a lot of guys agree with me to just leave them "natural" no matter the size because each guy is different.

They are dangerous to. A guy should be pleased to have you for you and not the size you are "up there". If all he cares about is that he doesnt care for you much.

Hi everyone,

I finally read the beginning of this post. In re: plastic surgery on animals, I am wondering where is the ASPCA, arresting the owners for unnecessarily torturing their dogs. I think this is terrible.

Thanks to those who wrote about the boob jobs, my daughter is telling me that "nowadays" women can still breastfeed. During one of our many heated discussions on the subject (I believe in exercise), I went into graphic detail about what they would do to her nipples. Fortunately, I haven't heard anything recently.

I think Arnold Schwarzenneger looks kinda funny now that he had his face done. Sort of like a carachature of himself...

As an aside, what about tattoos? I was raised that tattoos and piercings were "evil" (in some way), and it really took because I still cannot get my ears pierced.

I remind my daughter that skin will age and tattoos will wrinkle along with it. Somehow, young people do not think that old age will happen to them. During the sixties when I was in college, I didn't expect to live to be 40 (although it was nuclear bombs that were going to be my demise).

When I had my eyelids done, my doctor grilled me harshly on why did I want it done. However, he was a friend I had known for years. I am still glad I did it, and it has lasted. But I remember seeing another doctor at that time, I couldn't believe what he wanted to do to me! $20,000 worth of surgery. I felt insulted!!!

A note to Joe_Brett: people feel how they feel. The best friends are those that can recognize that and help the person talk about their feelings and bring some logic, observations and insight to help the other person realize that those feelings could be unwarranted. But I wasn't sure to whom you were replying...

And to CowsGoneMad, I really appreciate your entry. It's actually what I hoped men thought and felt (pun?) If I ever hear this subject from my daughter again, I'm going to bring that to her attention. Fortunately, she has a b/f who seems to really love her just like she is! Oh, that makes me happy.

This is an interesting topic, DSTM!

"And to CowsGoneMad, I really appreciate your entry. It's actually what I hoped men thought and felt (pun?) grinner.gif If I ever hear this subject from my daughter again, I'm going to bring that to her attention. Fortunately, she has a b/f who seems to really love her just like she is! Oh, that makes me happy."

Glad I could help. Not all us guys are total idiots who cant respect a girl for more than her body. Many guys on the planet and many tastes out there.
Beauty will fade and if thats all you focus on you will dissapointed after 20 or 30 years into your marriage.

I'm rather partial to women with

one real one and one fake one.


But,

that's just me.

The best of both worlds...so to speak, johnwho??? lol

Thats just uh nasty Johnwho.

Variety is the spice of life!

HA HA HAAAA HA HAHAA lmao!!!

I think people can do what they like, i have no problems with people getting plastic surgery, their problem with their looks is just that, theirs and i am really happy if it satisfies them, and if it doesnt, K Sarahhh.

I do feel that how we look is of little importance considering that consciousness is the cause for our existence and has no form to identify but yet is the most beautiful thing there is, for without it there would be nothing.

I meant to post i Agree, Sorry Everyone!

I agree, 'beauty' is highly over-rated. But sadly enough, the world in general doesn't seem to agree with us.

'Good looking' people, according to endless studies are, in general, treated better than their 'homely' counterparts. And it even carries over into the workplace - huge sigh.

" Hey, Gorgeous, Here's a Raise!As for you fatties, we're cutting your salaries.
As beauty is rewarded, so ugliness is penalized. Ugly women earn about 5 percent less than other women, and ugly men earn about 10 percent less than other men. That's right; the market punishes men more than women for being unattractive. Moreover, men's looks haunt them at every stage of their careers: Better-looking men get more job offers, higher starting salaries, and better raises. For women, good looks will get you better raises but usually not better job offers or starting salaries.

But while men suffer more for being ugly, women—and specifically white women—suffer more for being fat. In a paper from last year, Professor John Cawley found that an extra 65 pounds typically cost a white woman 7 percent of her wages. To put this another way, if you're a seriously overweight white woman, losing 65 pounds is likely to be as lucrative as an extra year of college or three extra years of work experience. For men and for black women, weight has no effect on wages. " (unquote)

(Full story and source: http://www.slate.com/id/111445/ )

Okay but I bet we all can agree that being overweight is not pretty. Its also a hindrance and a health risk.
I am sure black women suffer from being fat too.

Being overweight takes away your energy and your endurance. Plus your strength. If you were a employer you would want the person BEST able to do the job easily and quickly. When you are overweight you cant move as fast.

When people see you for the first time you do get judged. You can tell a lot by a persons weight whether skinny or fat.

Kinda like how insurance companies charge more for teen drivers and more for smokers for health care and age.

Blame it on Soda and fat food for america's obesity. Drink water and loose weight just give it a try. I have heard of people stopping soda and loosing like 10lbs in no time flat and they keep loosing weight with no routine change just stopping the soda. I mean come on its got like 34 or more grams of sugar in one 12oz can.

I hope I have not offended anyone as I am not against fat or skinny people and I was just uh saying something about Mara's post.

Re: "When people see you for the first time you do get judged. You can tell a lot by a persons weight whether skinny or fat".

I used to believe this, as well, but surely don't anymore. For I've seen children hospitalized for extreme obesity - under 'lock and key' and on an extremely restricted diet. Yet, these poor children kept gaining weight. Made me glad I have a different type of body that handles food better and feel extremely badly for having judged overweight people as 'those that simply eat too much and don't exercise enough'.

Re: "Okay but I bet we all can agree that being overweight is not pretty".

Yes, in our culture that is true and I doubt if this will ever change. But I worked with a woman who was 'grand obese' and she had one of those surgeries (can't remember what it's called). The problem was that after loosing nearly 150 pounds, she looked far far far worse than she did before. This is one case where plastic surgery really was magical!

I saw a very interesting Discovery/Learning/History channel program a few years ago. Researchers created a set of stick figures of various body types of women. Then they went all over the world: even to aboriginal people who had never seen/been exposed to the outside world. Guess what, people? All the men picked the well-proportioned shapely but slim picture as the most attractive woman. That's probably why models all have the same body type (until lately).

My best friend decided to "get fat" and raised both her daughters fat. Their trash cans overflow on trash days. And when you look at food labels, and see "whole grain bread" with high fructose corn syrup and extra wheat gluten added to it, you wonder what is going on? My heritage is allergic to wheat. Just try and find a bread without wheat and wheat gluten added to it. Even potato bread's first ingredient is wheat flour...

Stretched skin? Only because she was overweight to begin with right? I know stretched skin looks bad and takes surgery to fix.



Uh why? Type 2 diabeties or clogged arteries could get them.


Ha ha
Men really dont go crazy over super thin just curvy but not overweight. Like normal weight.

When people look at you the first time,you are judged in my opinion.
When I was in business,I did employ overweight employees,at first,if I thought they were the best suited for Job.
But in the end I stopped employing them,because of the look. Because this is a hot country,I got sick of looking at them sweating profusely,and large wet sweat stains under their arms,and all all their shirt bottons at breaking strain.Believe me it wasn't a good look in front of customers.The average weight employees showed no signs of perspiration in comparison.So I do think they are disadvantaged in the workplace.In the end I tried not to employ overweight Persons,for the reasons I have stated.I realize now it was wrong and I should have showed more compassion.

Please don't feel too badly, DSTM, as surely anyone of any size that wears inappropriate clothing to work (e.g. shirts buttons at straining points) and appears content to have huge circles of sweat under armpits would not be an asset to any business! Eep! Nope, you made the best judgement for your business.

Many overweight people dress beautifully and have spotless personal care and they are the ones who should surely not be discriminated against - yet nearly always are by people making 'instant judgements' upon seeing them, even for the first time. If my memory serves me, Hawaii was the opposite many years ago - in fact, the more well padded someone was, the more lovely their were perceived as being. Bet plastic surgeons would have gone bankrupt back then - grin.

I agree with Mara. People are also judged by how they dress. And if their clothes do not fit and you are in a business to meet the public, well, dress codes mean something! You did right for your co., DSTM.

I know people over weight who are very nimble and fast workers. I know fat people who are very healthy but they have thyroid problems which makes their weight fluctuate, i believe there are other conditions that can affect weight also rather than it being an issue of health.

I know people who have sweat conditions due to medication, that have become SO insecure of being judged that they cannot leave the house in hot whether without wearing an overcoat to cover the inevitable patches that occur no matter what they wear.

I am not directing this point at anyone in particular, i'm just throwing it in as were on the subject. I think it is AWFUL that society discriminates against so many physical qualities. It double backs on itself, because eventually the people who are discriminated against begin to discriminate themselves ending in a society full of people without trust who are frightened to go out or wear seasonal appropriate clothing for fear of being judged, which is a judgment that others are going to judge them.

hmmm, on the opposite end i also know a few overweight people who are true divas and make sure that everyone knows it, but i often wonder if this is their only option in order to value themselves in a society full of discrimination.

I've had some strange acquaintances in my life. A gal at work was born with a nose so big (she said it was hereditary and ethnic) that she had a nose job at a young age: junior high or earlier. It was not deformed, just LARGE. She decided she would never have children because they would be "ugly" like her. Weird, huh?

We all make decisions to continue or not. Perhaps she uses that as a justification for other, deeper insecurities.

I can say this with all honesty: Everyone judges everyone, and there is not a problem with that. This Politically Correct age is utter nonsense. However, I think we should learn as a race to keep our judgements to ourselves. But, if I see someone and my mind judges them to be a threat, then I will observe them a little more closely. This is just human nature. It is not wrong.

As far as people being overweight, no matter which way you view it, it is kinda sad. For some, yes, they have a genetic condition over which they have no control. I can empathize with them, and I feel sorrow for their misfortune. However, too many give up at that point. Or, they try some stupid diet, in an attempt to fight their nature. Nature will always win. They think, "Well, I will never get rid of this (like diabetes), so I may as well just accept being unhealthy."

The majority of people are simply lazy. Yes, I said it. Majority. They have no excuse other than the fact that they lack the ability to exert any form of self-discipline. And, to be honest, the world has a right to make judgements about them. If they can't take care of their own body, how can I trust them to take care of their work? I am sure this seems callous, as my sister likes to say, "Life sucks, get a helmet!" Now I am not advocating being mean or cruel, but if one doesn't want to be viewed as such, change your appearance.

I can say this because my wife and I were very unhealthy. Not obese, but in another 5 years we would have been. And we are turning it around. But it takes discipline, commitment, and sacrifice. I love pizza and beer, but those are two things that are not good, often. And exercise hurts, especially for the first month. We are three months in, and just now we are seeing our bodies really change. Many people don't want the pain and waiting, so they go have a procedure done. A waste of humanity, IMO. Those doctors could be treating children, here and abroad.

Either case is unfortunate. I wish more for my fellow Human Beings.

I think its the reasons behind it that are either rong or right. ( is rong spelt with a W?.. I dont think so but im not sure.... ack )

I think.. that if the reason is "I want this surgery so I can go flaunt my body for money" its actually an honorable thing. I mean, people invest in buildings, in cars, and in companys. So..... whos to say you cant "invest" in your own body ( 40,000$ worth of surgery is a BIG investment... ) and then use it to make money?

If the reason is "I want this surgery so people will stop calling me mugg face or mutt face.. or something" then its wrong, your a weak minded individual/ victim of sociaty if you do such a thing so people will merely judge you differently and not use it to get any monotary gain or emotional gain

What I mean by emotional gain... is somewhat hard to explain. If your MADLY in love with someone, and you feel as if your not pretty enouph for them. Then I think you should go ahead and get the surgery and go woo your dream mate.

Last of all the reasons, is the reason I myself and getting a nose job eventually. Is "I just want to look like that". Its the best reason there is.
I know some people are going to disrespect me for this, but I dye my hair alot of colors. This past year its been bright orange, its been blood red, its been about 3 different shades of green, its been blonde, and soon sometime within 2 weeks its going to be dark dark blue.

Now, I dont give a flying ( ) what other people think about me, as I am walking down the halls I am always bambarded with the usual insults like "snothead" and "swamp monster" or something as mundane and uncreative ( cmon people bring some game if your gonna try and insult me! ) and it doesnt bother me at all. Infact I find it funny how many times people say the same thing.

I remember when I first dyed my hair ( orange ) that all my friend were like "WTF happened!". But they all liked it, because my friends like me for how awesome and smart I am, not my looks. Now.. every now and again my friend will say something like "Why dont you get it ( insert color here ) or ( insert style here )! YEah that would look cool!"

When confronted with this.. I simply smile and say "maybe" or "possibly". They mean well, there only saying what they think would look nice one me. But.. I dont like alot of there suggestions. I dont like my hair to be purple.. so its not going to be. No matter how many people say it would look good, as long as I dont think so.. then its not going to be. I just dont have the heart to streight up tell me friends "Hey, ya know I really dont give a rats ( insert body part here ) about your opinion on my looks." ( although I do have an open mind about new things.. its just 99% of what people suggest Ive already tried and or considered trying. )

Im getting surgery on my nose because I dont like the way it looks on my face, and thats it. Many people would like to have my nose, but I dont.

P.S. Ya know.. this is just what technology can do for me though... if it was possible I would like to look like a night elf/drainie. I would have long pointy ears, a tail, glowing silverish eyes and blueish skin. I would probably have scales, and if possible.. long bat wings. But hey, thats just me. I know I come off as insane to some but.. as ive said.. your opinion about my looks doesnt matter.

Welcome to you, Reviewed Comic. It's always good to see what young people are thinking. I know a guy who has tattooed his face to look like a lion. He's a really nice guy, but I think he's limited his future. When my daughter went through your stage, she liked dressing differently from other people, and got mad when they copied her. She came home from Hawaii with sky-blue hair: it was gorgeous. It matched her eyes. But it hurt her feelings when people gave her "dirty looks" because she looked different. She wanted them to get to know her for who she is. As the years went by, she realized that first impressions are what people use to decide if they want to get to know you better.

Your stage of development is hard, and I don't think any of us would like to do it again. You want to figure out who you are, right? That's cool... we all went through it. Some of us are probably still going through it. You might want to read the book "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" In there, you will see that when women give each other advice, it is because they are trying to be friendly. Men like to solve your problems for you, so we often accuse them of not listening to us. You will also get to see words spelled correctly. (No offense to you, dear, I'm just wondering what your teachers are doing... blast that "no child left behind" IMO, it has hurt the kids and the teachers.

I don't know if you've realized, but people who are more "attractive" have a somewhat easier time in life. But a person's attitude and intelligence and hygiene and respect for others can make them more attractive. I am guessing you are a pretty good looking and intelligent kid. I do agree with you that plastic surgery is good to make yourself happier with your own looks. I hope you stick with the wild hair colors, and things that can be undone, so you can explore what you like and what you don't. At fifteen, you have a long way to go, so please try to wait until you are older to make any permanent decisions. (sorry, that's the "mom" in me).

Now, if people want to do liposuction because they are just plain fat and too lazy to go on a diet, well, IMO they're going to be sorry, because if they keep eating bad/fattening foods, the fat will just find somewhere else to go. But I do not agree that I would make a non-reversable change to my face to try to make someone more attracted to me. There's more than just looks to make a good relationship. And if people are telling you they like your nose, then maybe its a nice nose, and you can do your rebellious stuff on something that can be changed later. Besides: look at Paris Hilton (if you have to). Her nose is so small I'm surprised she has room to breathe through it!

Please know I have intended no disrespect. I am glad you joined the discussion.

It's not a problem with the person that needs to be fixed by plastic surgery or even outward changes, but its the society that needs to change its thinking.