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deuce23
I heard that it's better to open a business as a corporation rather than as self employed because opening your business as a corporation you can pay less in taxes because in the end you can use the gross profit as your salary to pay yourself as an employee to the corporation rather than being taxed on the net income if you were set up as self employed. Does anyone know if that's true?
BlackSpyder
http://www.fourmilab.ch/ustax/ustax.html

Heres the US tax code. (I assumed you were from the US).
If you cant quite figure the code out yourself I would suggest hiring a CPA to help you do this (if you do it before the end of the year its a tax deduction)
boopme
There are a few tax advantages to going INC. And there are several options to consider as to which structure you will use.
But more important than taxes are liability.
A tip FORGET Sole Proprietorship. Main reason in todays world: all personal and business liabilities are combined, and the business is not considered to be a separate entity. That means if someone dissatisfied they'll be suing you for all your hard earned assets.
Decide on a Corporation,S corp or my fave LLC ..Limited Liability Company
More on types
FreeAdvice.com

You'll need to do a little research as to your state laws

Some more info
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/small/articl...d=99336,00.html
Walkman
I really didn't want to reply to this post, but.. here goes....

1. If you're a sole proprietor of your business, I'd research on the Corp registration/filing.
2. Unless you're a US Government employee OR a corporation, there is nothing in the (over 7,000 page) IRS manual that says that an individual has to file or pay taxes.

At this very moment, which you can find here on the Internet, is a REWARD at the cash value of $400,000.00 for any and everyone in the US to find in the IRS manual that shows the law that the average American citizen MUST pay and (or) file taxes. I will post the sites and you can challenge them for the money. I can assure you right now, you'll NEVER in the current IRS manual find a law that says that you MUST pay/file taxes... It clearly says it in their own manual/code book that taxes are voluntary. But yet and still we get jailed for NOT complying to that FRAUD.

$400,000.00 right now as of December 16, 2006 and earlier is still up for grabs if it can be proven that an individual must pay taxes.

Ex IRS experts have thought they had easy money, when it was only up to $40,000.00, and they have learned the truth, after all those years on the IRS payroll........... extorting money from people,,,, illegally, and even having them put in prison.

I urge any and all of you to NOT go to the IRS official web site to know your tax rights.

To make a long story short, the IRS was created illegally along with the Federal Reserve System, and 9 people went to a place, not too far off from New York called Jeckyl Island. It's a real place. They went there on The Christmas holiday when Congress was in recess.... they concocted up the tax scheme, and when Christmas was over, and the New Year came in, there was the Federal Reserve and then the IRS.

They passed it through Congress illegally, and to this day, you all think that the IRS and the Federal Reserve is legit, and from the US Government. Our Government allowed this to happen, and they planned on it too.

My point again, do your research on your tax rights, and do NOT go to the IRS's web site to know your rights. They are going to tell you what you MUST do to keep them off your back. They are tricking you.

Lastly, when you file a 1040 form, you are actually waiving your rights to self-prosecution. The US Constitution's 5t Ammendment rights protects you from self-prosecution. That's why people say in court "I plead the 5th". That's exactly what it's for. To protect you. They are saying that they are not going to say ANYTHING, because it can be used against them. It's very wise to know your rights and your constitutional rights too.

Even before Ronald Regan passed he made an announcement as the President that the US taxation had become unconstitutional. There you go.... someone that knew the truth, and died with it.

Please forgive me BleepingComputer, but this was something I'd rather not even seen posted here. And since it was, I'm telling what I do know about taxes. i'm simply ..... replying.

Do you all remember when our money was backed by either a silver or gold by certificate? The certificate is the "greenback" we hold everyday, but now it has no values to it. Right now, as of July or so of this year (2006), the dollar bill has the value of approximately $0.04. They took off our guarantee from the greenback and now we get less than what we put out. Everyone that saves greenbacks would be probably millionaires or close to it by now.... if they continued to back the Americans money with the GOLD/SILVER that is supposed to be still in Fort Knox. That gold and silver isn't there, and that's because the US Government sold us out to 2 NON governmental entities, that you all believe is an official entity of the US Governmental branch.

Wake Up Everyone!!!..... smell the stench in the air. You're all deceived in the lies that are put in front of you, because the statistics prove that the average person WILL believe whatever their government tells them. And guess what,,, this info comes from the government themselves. They know how dumbed-downed we are, and they are banking that we will NEVER stick together. Their analysis prove that we won't.

$400,000.00 are up for grabs. And you don't have to prove it to me. Prove it to all those organizations wanting to pay out this money.... ONLY if you can just show it in the law,, that paying taxes is the law for the average American worker.

Judges can't even agree. Some say it's the law, some say it isn't. Just like Sherry Jackson said (ex IRS Fraud Investigator)...... "Show Me The Law"

I'll post the links to these sites that are offering the reward money, and see if you will get it. Judges tried, and failed, lawyers tried it and failed, ex IRS and even current ones tried and failed. Accountants from all over the US tried and failed. No one can show the law. No one. And I mean NO ONE !

Protect yourself.. and investigate the tax laws, because you are more than likely waiving your rights when you file your taxes.

Did you know that on the news here this year(2006) that they said that more than 50% less people filed taxes in 2005 according to Census (another fraud organization). I wonder why? People are waking up. People are standing up, and people are taking back the government that they entrusted to help and protect them.


This will have to be on another thread/topic......... and I don't want the impression I hijacked this topic, because I didn't. I'm just informing people on what I know many people are afraid to talk about and admit. I'm not scared... are you?
deuce23
Thanks!
Grinler
Walkman,

I get the feeling that you are into a lot of conspiracy theories?

It states here in Title 26, the internal revenue code of the United States of America, that individuals must pay taxes. It also states the percentage:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/usc...01----000-.html

Who do I contact to get my 400gs?
deuce23
Walkman could be right that taxes aren't required by law, because I know in Australia that they're not required to pay taxes on income or property and even though they're making millions they can still get welfare. Makes me just want to move to Australia just to make easy money.
DSTM
QUOTE(deuce23 @ Dec 18 2006, 02:09 PM) *
Walkman could be right that taxes aren't required by law, because I know in Australia that they're not required to pay taxes on income or property and even though they're making millions they can still get welfare. Makes me just want to move to Australia just to make easy money.

Everyone has to pay taxes over a mininum income threshold.The companies can claim many costs and benefits that the ordinary worker can't.So in reallity they pay little or no taxes.There are fortunes to be made here,providing you have the right products or services,at the right time.And a little luck as well.LOL.

You are all welcome to come here and start a new life in our young beautiful country.
Come and visit,stay awhile and I'm sure you will love it. thumbup.gif

DSTM.
Orange Blossom
QUOTE(Walkman @ Dec 16 2006, 02:31 AM) *
Did you know that on the news here this year(2006) that they said that more than 50% less people filed taxes in 2005 according to Census (another fraud organization). I wonder why?


I think the reason is far more likely to do with much higher unemployment and underemployment., but that is a different topic.
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Re: the original topic. You can be self-employed and incorporated at the same time. Being incorporated separates your business income from your personal income and you can therefore protect your personal income. You DO NOT have to be a public business in order to be incorporated. An example is my former bosses. They are self-employed running a business as a corporation. They pay themselves salaries etc. However, they still are considered self-employed and fill out the self-employed tax form.

As self-employed: You pay 100% of your own social security taxes. If you work for someone else, your employer pays half, and you pay half. If you are self-employeed and have an employee: You pay all of your social security, half of your employee's social security, unemployment compensation taxes etc. Last I heard there were 7 different taxes that must be paid.

A major downside of being a PUBLIC corporation, which means that you have stock-holders, is that in today's climate if someone wants to buy you out, you are forced to sell. A lot of our corporations these days are very large holding companies draining the profits of the smaller companies they gobbled up, decreasing the quality of service and product and forcing bankruptcies. Henry Fields and Gurneys are two examples of old, very good companies that were forced to sell to a larger company and whose reputations have now gone down the drain.

So, by all means become incorporated if the money involved is large enough, but do NOT go public.

Orange Blossom fruits_cherry.gif
deuce23
I thought unemployment was at a low.

But tax wise, which is better in terms of the amount of tax you would have to pay?
Grinler
I am by no means a tax expert and I suggest that you contact an accountant or a lawyer to really get the information you need on this. Another site that is terrific is :

http://www.nolo.com/

What I do know is that if you are self-employed you can write off a lot of work related expenses. This will help you with your taxes.
Walkman
Grinler,

I'll post the web sites today, when I compile my bookmarks from my other computers on this one.

I would imagine the term "conspiracy theory" has been used to diminish the pursuing of one's truth. There is no conspiracy theory here. It's the facts, and the truths.

The problem is that so many of you just believe whatever law was laid down in front of you, and you never even questioned. How do I know that?.... because it's obvious that many people just never read/investigated it themselves.

Besides what your accountant says, can any of you personally say that you can show the law that says you must pay taxes? Any of you? I have the IRS manual. It's not in there. And I do know some law. I planned on becoming a lawyer while I was in school, but life took me in another direction. But I have plenty of law books here, and I can tell you this much.... you don't have a clue as to your rights if you don't read and know them.

I've started a film/documentary (May 2006). I'm naming it when it's complete "100 reasons why you don't have to pay taxes". My goal is to go to 100 tax preparation places and inform them that I'm trying to win $400,000.00 by putting to rest the tax issue. Then I'm asking them to help me win this money by showing me in the law where it says that I must file and pay taxes. I've been to 32 tax places so far, and not one of them was able to show me the law. My goal is 100.

Did you know that in Alaska, they simply cut out taxes there?... and at the same time they have given the residents there money at tax time.

Before you think your state, or any state will suffer because of no taxes, do a search on either term:

CAFR or
Comprehensive Annual Financial Report (CAFR) ..... for your state, and you'll have full 100% access to the states financial reports and where monies went to, and what came in. And if you're a real accountant, you'll see that there is so much money in the "surplus = extra money", you'll soon see that there is no such thing as a deficit or budget. Those are two bogus terms the governmet uses to make you think that they have no money. A sate is NEVER in the red. Just look at the CAFR for your state and you'll see.

Note: Since this CAFR has been exposed some time back, each state is now watering down their actual financial reports. For my state, I have it for every year, starting since 1994. If you get to see yours, download starting from the earliest year possible and work your way upwards, and you'll probably see that your state is leaving out financial records for many of their transactions.

I'm willing to stake that 99% of you right now have never even heard of a Comprehensive Annual Financial Report. And that's because since it's the US Governments financial record keeping system, they don't want you to know. The news have never ever mentioned those words..... not ever, but the mainstream news gets a CAFR sent to them each year.

Call anyone, and I mean anyone you know as a governmental official, and watch how many of them tell you that they never even heard of it. Just watch. Some of them will be lying to you, and some of them really won't have a clue. I've asked a few of them myself, and as sure as night and day, they all told me that they never heard of it.

This all ties into taxes. And since there is the Internet and search engines, I don't see how anyone couldn't find the real truth, no matter what anyone says.

The truth is waiting. Are any of you going to go after it, or are you just going to go along with what has been a "tradition" to you all these years? At least seek the truth.

Lastly, ... anytime there is a conflict of law within the government, the US Constitution says there is no law. That clearly means that if one judge says it's a law, but another judge says it's not a law, .. then there is a conflict with the law within the government, and that clearly excludes that so-called law as a law.

Read and KNOW YOUR RIGHTS.
Grinler
Read my 1st post above. States clearly that we need to pay taxes.
Grinler
Or how about this:

http://www.constitution.org/afterte_.htm#amd16
DSTM
I can't believe some of what I'm reading here.If we don't pay our taxes,who is going to pay for all our our infrastructure?And all of the miriad of services which we use on a daily basis.Nothing comes for nothing.Does everybody want to pay tolls on every road we use,Pay police everytime we need one,etc etc etc.I am happy to pay my taxes if I can see a benefit to the community,and the tax system is not abused.In the early days of America they had toll houses on just about every road and bridge .My guess is if we stop paying taxes it would be like the wild west.Another thing,who pays for the military to protect us?I think some common sense should prevail here.
Getting back to the original question asked,If you have enough money to start a business,you should have enough money to pay for a tax experts advice in that area.Whether it be a one man operation,a company or whatever.

DSTM.
Walkman
QUOTE(Grinler @ Dec 20 2006, 12:22 PM) *
Read my 1st post above. States clearly that we need to pay taxes.

Not wanting to hijack this thread, (which we've all probably have), but you,, I mean you, personally, explain why we HAVE TO pay taxes. There is NO LAW that say we have to. There is NO LAW.

The only way yo have to pay taxes is:
1. You're a governmental official.. Even a government employee
2. A profitable Coroporation
3. If you've filed a 1040 form (you've waived your rights)

The states that a man can NOT be taxed on his labor. His labor is a trade off. I work for you, and you give me money in return.

I would imagine that you probably don't realize that it's against the law for an employer to "withhold" taxes from your paycheck. Well, guess what?.. there are many employers now that have come forward, that are still in business, and they no longer withhold their employee's taxes. If people know their rights, they can sue their employers.

I can tell you many facts about the tax system, and many of them, I'm just going to show you. But the taxx system is a scam.

As far as going to web sites that say you must pay taxes, I'm telling you now, .. they're part of the cattle in the herd. Why would you just want to listen to them?.. Ok... 11 says you do, and 1 says you don't.. are you going to at least look at the other one 1st?.... before you make claim that they're correct?

I'm not arguing or wanting to disrupt anything here... but it's time we all wake up. For all of you that are so over-confident that paying taxes is the law... do this much....... "Show Me The Law That Says So." And I'm not talking about going to web sites either. I'm talking about,, you,,, doing research, or even having someone do it for you, and specifically request that you are shown the exact law that says it. No one will be able to show you.

Are you saying that these ex IRS agents (fraud investigators) are wrong about their findings? You would say they're wrong if they came to arrest you and take away everything you own. I bet you'd say that then.

My next reply to this topic will consist of the many sites you and everyone else should go see.

I can honestly say this: I was once blind, but now I see the light.

There is NO PROOF that we MUST pay taxes what-so-ever. No proof at all.

And lastly,,, two other tax schemes that the US Government uses on us, and have been doing it for years.

1. The Women's Liberation". That was a tax scheme created by the Rockafellas. They started the rumor that women wanted the same rights as the men. Then the Rockafellas went to all the news outlets, and they then had a rally going on (the women). The Rockafellas pushed it. And when the Women's Liberation was awarded to the women, guess what the Rockafellas had to say (well, one of them said this).
QUOTE
The reason we done this was so that we can not only tax the men, but now we can tax the women too.
Do you see the cleverness of the deception? Women's lib is NOT what 99% of what the US population believes it was for. Wake up!!!!!

2. Child Support. Child support was originated in the Soviet Union. They had a tax scheme on the men. They taxed the men accordingly to how many children they had. I believe it was 10% for 1 child... 15-20% for 2 children, and 35%+ for 3 children or more. After the men started seeing that they were being extorted out of their hard earned money (just for having children),,, they stopped paying the extortion. Then, the Soviet Union government started placing posters all over town, showing those father's picturs and were calling them "Deadbeats".

The United States have adapted their law into their own government to tax the fathers here too, and that's why there is a child support law.... and that's why we know and hear the term "Deadbeat" father/mother. The US Government say another opportunity to tax people, and they went on with it. And that's where the child support act came into effect.

So, go on thinking whatever you all wish to think. I'm just laying out the foundation to all of this. You can disregard this as a "conspiracy theory" if you wish. That's your right, but it changes NOT the truth to it all.

If you'll really notice..... the truth isn't hard to find. In fact, it's looking you right in the eyes. Can you see it? Or do you want to keep your eyes closed?.... either way, it's your choice, but don't say that you weren't told otherwise.
Walkman
As promised............

Below are 2 web sites you have to go to, to claim your reward totally $400,000.00

http://www.anti-irs.com Bill Conklin is a tax consultant who has been involved in the Freedom Movement for 25 years. He has extensive experience in dealing with IRS wage levies, IRS seizures, IRS liens and IRS criminal litigation. Bill published the book: Why No One is Required to File Tax Returns and he has offered a $100,000 reward for 15 years for anyone who can prove him wrong.
He has been sued twice in federal court for the reward and he has won both times.

He provides consulting services for those having tax problems. By e-mail: willieco@aol.com Address: 3296 Raleigh St. Denver, Colorado 80212 By telephone: (303) 455-0837 By fax: (303) 480-1799



http://www.livefreenow.org, Web site of the Freedom Law School (FLS), run by a Jewish
Immigrant from Iran who wishes to prevent America from becoming a tyrannical form of government. FLS provides a dozen courses and other solution oriented educational material about the illegality of the Income Tax and other freedom related issues for the average American. FLS has had a $300,000 reward for over 2 years for any one that can provide proof of the legality of the Income Tax. No one has won to date.

No IRS agent, lawyer, CPA, Judge or government official has ever attempted to collect this reward.
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FREE: 1,700+ page, "The Great IRS Hoax: Why We Don't Owe Income Tax"

http://famguardian.org/Publications/GreatI...reatIRSHoax.htm

Exhaustive overview of the income tax laws and regulations. Excellent legal research and documentation including specific legal cites, court decisions and procedural tools to help in dealing with the IRS. Includes legal opinion letters, information on employer/employee withholding, sample IRS response letters and an overview on strategies and tactics to handle tax situations. Includes transcripts of taxpayer audits with the IRS. ALL FREE!

Recommended Select Chapters To Start With:
Chapter 3: Legal Authority For Income Taxes
Covers: U.S. Constitution, U.S. Code, IRS Regulations, U.S. Court Decisions.

Chapter 5: The Evidence: Why We Don't Have To Pay
Covers: IRS Jurisdiction, Concepts of the Law, IRS Deceptions, The Truth About Volunteering
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http://www.freedomabovefortune.com, Ex-IRS CID Agent & CPA who dared submit his personal research about the income tax to his superiors and asked for a response. He was forced to resign days later. Read part of his report for free. His name is Joe Banister, and he went public with his findings.

http://www.thelawthatneverwas.com, Web site of Bill Benson co-author with Red Beckman of the research book "The Law That Never Was" which details exhaustively the fraudulent ratification of the 16th Amendment.

http://iresist.com/ice, the website of ICE [Investigating Curious Evidence]. The ICE website is primarily an archive of documents, letters, and other reference materials that explore the misapplication of the Internal Revenue Code by the IRS, the courts, and other gov't agencies. It also chronicles the experiences and efforts of many brave Americans who for years have attempted to both resist and expose this misapplication. Those who wish to receive information updates by email may subscribe to the IceBucket email list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ice-bucket.

http://www.freeenterprisesociety.com Steve Hempfling heads up California based Free Enterprise Society. This group has a well established track record in fighting IRS and the California FTB. They run a legal tax defense fund and provide personal consulting services and advice for those having issues with the taxing authorities. They offer an array of freedom publications and have a special interest in the right to travel / traffic tickets, etc.

http://www.paynoincometax.com/ You can download a FREE copy of a book called The Federal Mafia. It's in .PDF format
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Lastly, when I find my bookmark with the link to the audio conference of how the Federal Reserve was illegally created, I'll post it. It's also in video and book form. It's called "The Monsters on Jeckyl Island[b/] or [b]The Monsters From Jeckyl Island." In the meantime, do a search for that title, and watch what you'll come up with. It's very deep. It blew me away to know the truth about the Federal Reserve, and of course, the IRS.

This is enough to get any and all of you on to your own to research the tax issues, and it's your chance to win $400,000,00. With everyone working on this together, I don't see how any of you can't go to collect the reward.

Although I know you'll never win the money, it'll be a great venture into learning the truth about the IRS and your tax rights.

Also, do a search for Sherry Jackson. She is an ex-IRS Fraud Investigator, who have won highly decorated awards from the IRS. Someone challenged her about the taxes, when it was only a $40,000. She confronted the IRS to actually show her the law, ,,, and I guess you know what happened to her job with the IRS. She even went public. And to this very day, she admits she can't even find the law that says we MUST pay taxes.

And there are plenty more governmental officials that say that they can't even find the law anywhere. Are all those IRS experts wrong?

Happy hunting, and good luck researching.
Walkman
QUOTE(DSTM @ Dec 20 2006, 12:56 PM) *
I can't believe some of what I'm reading here.If we don't pay our taxes,who is going to pay for all our our infrastructure?And all of the miriad of services which we use on a daily basis.Nothing comes for nothing.Does everybody want to pay tolls on every road we use,Pay police everytime we need one,etc etc etc.I am happy to pay my taxes if I can see a benefit to the community,and the tax system is not abused.In the early days of America they had toll houses on just about every road and bridge .My guess is if we stop paying taxes it would be like the wild west.Another thing,who pays for the military to protect us?I think some common sense should prevail here.
Getting back to the original question asked,If you have enough money to start a business,you should have enough money to pay for a tax experts advice in that area.Whether it be a one man operation,a company or whatever.

DSTM.

I would imagine you have no access to a CAFR. I also don't know the taxing and laws outside of the US. So you case may be different... but I doubt it.

Let me tell you that all of what you think that needs to come from tax payers filing taxes to build bridges, roads, tolls, and everything else you can think of is waaaaayyyyyy off. Let me break it down for you.

There are 2 groups of taxes:
Voluntary Taxes: Taxes you can avoid paying.
Gas.... you can avoid those taxes by riding the bus or walking
Cigarettes.... you can avoid those taxes by not buying cigarettes
Liquor.... you can avoid those taxes by not buying liquor
Property Taxes... you can avoid those taxes buy not buying any real estate.
Interest Loans.... you can avoid those taxes by not getting any bank loans
.. and a huge list of other taxes we pay on a daily basis,,,, but we can avoid them voluntarily

Involuntary Taxes: Taxes you can't avoid paying
Hospital Bills..... you can't avoid having to go to the hospital if needed
Legal Fees.... you can't avoid being sued or arrested, even if you're innocent
Utility Bills... this can go either way. You can live in the streets or at the mission and pay no taxes on the utilities or rent your place and pay taxes
...and a huge list of other taxes we pay on a daily basis,,,, but we can't avoid them involuntarily

My point to the lists are simple. Between all of those taxes,, and at least 100+ more different taxes each state collects per day is more than enough to do everything you think the American worker isn't paying for. Also, if you look at any CAFR, you'll see that each state can do away with taxes, reward the state residents each year with a return, send the children to college, and still have enough money to operate on for at least 11 years or so. It's already been proven, but the greedy ones don't want to see this happen.

I just hope that people will realize that your tax money is never going to go for anything that is going to be for your benefit. Just look at any CAFR... and you aught to wonder why are schools being closed, health care cut off, budgets, deficits, and high costs of everything you pay taxes into, but you're told that there is no money to do what's needed. Wake up!! Gas, cigarettes, liquor taxes alone are more than enough to keep any state running in the green zone. Like I said, there are over 100+ taxes we pay per day/week/month/year/ that covers everything for any and all states.

A few years back in Manhattan, NY.. their CAFR was over a few BILLION DOLLARS,, alone. And that didn't include the whole state of NY. Just Manhattan.

The IRS tax system is a FRAUD
DSTM
QUOTE(Walkman @ Dec 22 2006, 05:42 PM) *
QUOTE(DSTM @ Dec 20 2006, 12:56 PM) *

I can't believe some of what I'm reading here.If we don't pay our taxes,who is going to pay for all our our infrastructure?And all of the miriad of services which we use on a daily basis.Nothing comes for nothing.Does everybody want to pay tolls on every road we use,Pay police everytime we need one,etc etc etc.I am happy to pay my taxes if I can see a benefit to the community,and the tax system is not abused.In the early days of America they had toll houses on just about every road and bridge .My guess is if we stop paying taxes it would be like the wild west.Another thing,who pays for the military to protect us?I think some common sense should prevail here.
Getting back to the original question asked,If you have enough money to start a business,you should have enough money to pay for a tax experts advice in that area.Whether it be a one man operation,a company or whatever.

DSTM.

I would imagine you have no access to a CAFR. I also don't know the taxing and laws outside of the US. So you case may be different... but I doubt it.

Let me tell you that all of what you think that needs to come from tax payers filing taxes to build bridges, roads, tolls, and everything else you can think of is waaaaayyyyyy off. Let me break it down for you.

There are 2 groups of taxes:
Voluntary Taxes: Taxes you can avoid paying.
Gas.... you can avoid those taxes by riding the bus or walking
Cigarettes.... you can avoid those taxes by not buying cigarettes
Liquor.... you can avoid those taxes by not buying liquor
Property Taxes... you can avoid those taxes buy not buying any real estate.
Interest Loans.... you can avoid those taxes by not getting any bank loans
.. and a huge list of other taxes we pay on a daily basis,,,, but we can avoid them voluntarily

Involuntary Taxes: Taxes you can't avoid paying
Hospital Bills..... you can't avoid having to go to the hospital if needed
Legal Fees.... you can't avoid being sued or arrested, even if you're innocent
Utility Bills... this can go either way. You can live in the streets or at the mission and pay no taxes on the utilities or rent your place and pay taxes
...and a huge list of other taxes we pay on a daily basis,,,, but we can't avoid them involuntarily

My point to the lists are simple. Between all of those taxes,, and at least 100+ more different taxes each state collects per day is more than enough to do everything you think the American worker isn't paying for. Also, if you look at any CAFR, you'll see that each state can do away with taxes, reward the state residents each year with a return, send the children to college, and still have enough money to operate on for at least 11 years or so. It's already been proven, but the greedy ones don't want to see this happen.

I just hope that people will realize that your tax money is never going to go for anything that is going to be for your benefit. Just look at any CAFR... and you aught to wonder why are schools being closed, health care cut off, budgets, deficits, and high costs of everything you pay taxes into, but you're told that there is no money to do what's needed. Wake up!! Gas, cigarettes, liquor taxes alone are more than enough to keep any state running in the green zone. Like I said, there are over 100+ taxes we pay per day/week/month/year/ that covers everything for any and all states.

A few years back in Manhattan, NY.. their CAFR was over a few BILLION DOLLARS,, alone. And that didn't include the whole state of NY. Just Manhattan.

The IRS tax system is a FRAUD


This is my last post on this subject,but first I will give my opinion on a number of points.
From what I have read and watched on USA TV business shows,our tax system is virtually the same except for different tax rates on the same utilities.The only difference is that America is the only country in the western world that taxes it's citizens working abroad,which I personally think is not right.I commented earlier that I'm happy to pay my taxes if they are used wisely and benifits the community.

Here are just a few examples why we are taxed so heavily in Australia.We would be worse off if we paid less tax.IMO.

We are drowning in taxes and this is necessary to feed the corrupt and thieving government we have.We vote for a change and the new government are just as corrupt as the defeated one was.It's just their turn to get at the spoils.Yes,and every now and again a polly will be paraded in the public eye or a gov dept attacked by the media.These are merely scape goats to give us the impression the Gov is above board.Nothing is ever done to these clowns,they still keep their jobs.If you are not a clone of the minister or member or senator you won't succeed in politics.We have had honest people run for government and they haven't got a hope in hell of getting to the top and making changes.The other side immediately starts a smear campaign and ruins their credability.Not you or me can change things for the better,because people will not join together and fight for a better and fairer system.The gov brainwashes us through the media,and most people can't and will not think for themselves.You have never been better off,they keep telling us.
Also big business donates to the parties and Gov bows to their wishes.Our richest businessman, James Packer whinged to the Gov to change media ownership laws,and they did.James Packer overnight was 4.2 Billion dollars richer.One big happy family.

Our infra structure here is virtually third world standards.The only improvements are made by private companies as regards to highways,tunnels and bridges.All carry tolls.Our taxes should pay for these improvements.This gov can't afford to build them so they say.

As an example, Paul Keating was our Prime minister about 12 years ago.He retired on a full PM salary for life,which goes up with infation,an office expenses allowance of 330 thousand dollars a year for life.What for,he's retired and has investments all over the country.

Our Prime Minister loves giving our money away.That dreadfull Tsunami recently,John Howard pledged about a billion dollars aid.Fine to help them,but to stand up on the world stage,bignote himself as usual and give more than the USA which has approx 300 million people compared to our 20+ million,I thought what a goose.We have hospitals here which are half empty for 5 yrs,because the gov can't afford to staff them.

And Walkman my guess is if you believed there was 400g's at the end of the rainbow,you wouldn't be telling us about it.You know the government employs the most brilliant professionals in every field for legal advice when making these laws,so if you have the resourses to have better legal representation than the US gov,by all means try.I don't like your chances.If there was a loophole in your tax laws,my guess parliament would be recalled,even if they were in recess and the law amended overnight.

You will never stamp out corruption.It has been around since the beginning of time and it ain't going to change anytime soon IMHO.and not all you read on the internet is gospel.
deuce23
Well, Wesley Snipes didn't pay his taxes and he's being indicted. Voluntary tax or not, the IRS is always going to try to get money out of you.

Nice debate you guys.
Walkman
QUOTE(deuce23 @ Dec 25 2006, 12:22 AM) *
Well, Wesley Snipes didn't pay his taxes and he's being indicted. Voluntary tax or not, the IRS is always going to try to get money out of you.

Nice debate you guys.

He may be very well one of the celebrities(human beings) that actually knows his tax rights. Who knows?.... But my guess is that if he haven't filed in all those years and they're coming after him now, he knows the real deal.

But guess what?.... He's not the only one. Why aren't the IRS going after all those others?

Is it that the average person don't have as much money as Wesley, or is it that the IRS knows that the American people are so dumbed down, they'll go after him, by going public,,,,,,,, and hoping the rest of the population stay dumb on this? I believe the latter part of it.

I hope Wesley is getting prepared and ready to fight them(IRS) at their own deceptive game. I'm sure he is.

The IRS has the whole American people, and even the rest of the world literally SCARED of them. Literally SCARED. hysterical.gif

I know this is most likely for sure..... Wesley Snipes knows the real deal, which I do know many of you are too scared to even look in the face. Most of you will allow them to extort you, threaten you, and go to every extreme to get you to comply,,,,,, just so you don't go to jail.......... basically,,,,,,,,, you'll sell-out your own family, just so you don't go to jail.

But, lets forget that, because I know that's waaaayayayyyyyyyyyy tooo much for many of you.

Have any of you even had the guts to go claim the $400,000.00 waiting for you right now? If not,.... why?..... you can always pass this information to the BEST ON PLANET EARTH to resolve it. They won't be able to do it, meaning telling you that filing/paying taxes is the law.

Don't be scared........ go claim the money...... $400,000.00...... just waiting for you.

Like I'm going to always say to all of you.

Go and Learn AND know your rights.......... if you're not too scared to do so.

Wesley Snipes is doing NOTHING WRONG....... He's simply not going to be extorted anymore, like many of you will continue to be.......... because you don't want to go to jail/prison.

STOP BEING SCARED!!!....OK?........... STOP BEING SCARED!!!!


But let me ask you to do me this one request.............

Show Me The Law That Requires The Average American To File/Pay Taxes.

Don't show it for me..... show it for all the other viewers that want to see that law.

Show The Law..

The bad thing about all of this is that I claim there is no law that requires us to pay taxes, but the majority of you say it is a law, but even,,, right now... not a single one of you have provided the law to show/say so.

Is there something wrong with the information you're all getting?..... I'm starting to really think that you're stuck on.........

Show The Law
... why is that so hard for all of you to do? Why?.... You're all experts on computers and so forth..... right?...... show the law... it's as simple as that.


The problem is that you'll never be able to do so.
Walkman
This post is a follow-up, because not only have I been reviewing and going over my books of codes, statutes, and laws, and I never actually replied to post no#6.

But in post no#6, this was stated:
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It states here in Title 26, the internal revenue code of the United States of America, that individuals must pay taxes. It also states the percentage:


Although this is no big deal to me, because I do know my rights, but if you read that page, located here:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/usc...01----000-.html

this is what I want to bring to the attention of the viewers.

No#1. The word must does not appear on that page at all. So, we can't say that it says we must pay taxes, because it doesn't say it at all.

No#2. The word required is only mentioned once on that page, and it says this:
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such child shall be treated (other than for purposes of this paragraph) as having no gross income for such year and shall not be required to file a return under section 6012.


There is no other reference of the word required anywhere else on that page. That could have the effect that basically, there is nothing required one must do to comply with the IRS, and that's because there is no law that says you must.

Other words NOT found on that page:
prison
jail
law... of all words... the word law does not appear on that page at all.


The word penalty was only found twice, and it refers to marriage:
(f) Phaseout of marriage penalty in 15-percent bracket; adjustments in tax tables so that inflation will not result in tax increases

(8) Elimination of marriage penalty in 15-percent bracket

And those are talking about phasing out (getting rid of) the marriage penalties.

From the time I studied law, and became more familiar with the terms of each word, I read it in the law, that every-single word in any law has a specific meaning. Meaning, the word must has to identified as an act of that law. Every word in law has a meaning, and the meaning can be different from one set of laws from another.

But, again, my point is as valid as can be. No one can show the law that paying taxes is the law. It doesn't say it anywhere. That's another reason why I encourage you all to examine those links I've posted to places to know the real truth about taxes and your rights. There is much to learn.

I can dissect that page apart, and still, there is no law that says paying taxes for the average American is a law.

I also made this post because I want to see someone come forward and show the law that says we must pay taxes. Even if it's not a law (which it isn't), if you want to pay taxes, that's your prerogative, but if you don't pay taxes, you don't want to be threatened to be jailed for not doing so, when the IRS law/code book states it clearly that paying taxes is voluntary. Now,, that's something that is throughout their manuals and such.... So .... what do you understand as the meaning of voluntary? My meaning,,,,, either I do or I don't, and everything stays the same.
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