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Crizz44
I am trying to help a friend. She has Verizon DSL and it works fine with no problems. We are trying to add a Linksys Wireless G router. All of the connections are correct and the network icon shows that it is connected and there is a default gateway present. The problem is that we get "Page cannot be displayed", even though it says it is connected. I cannot understand what could be blocking Internet Explorer. We hooked up another known working router and received the same problem, so it is not the router. We can disconnect the router and use just the DSL modem and we can get on Internet Explorer just fine. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. smile.gif
usasma
Linksys has an online chat option that works very well for simple connection issues (and eliminates the problems with different accents). They have an excellent script that covers almost any problem with your connection.
Crizz44
We downloaded their software to fix connection issues, but no luck. As for the Chat, we have to disconnect the router to be able to get online, then we can't troubleshoot the router because its not connected. I have done everything suggested from the Linksys site, but have not tried the chat. I am going back over there tonight to try again. I guess we can try the chat and see what they can suggest. Thank you ! smile.gif
Crizz44
I went to the Linksys Chat, she was very helpful and seemed knowledgable. But in the end no connection.
All the lights are lit correctly, and it shows the computer is connected, but still "Page cannot be displayed".
Linksys chat changed some settings, channel and IP address. I think we may try a different brand router, any suggestions for an easier setup? I have never had a problem with the Linksys before and it is still my first choice, but it doesn't seem to set up well with something she has. Thanks for your time !!
Siggyman
Have you tired right clicking on the network conection and cliking repair
usasma
The LinkSys chat was only the first option - it would fix any ordinary errors in the router. And, it would help to ensure that the router was working properly.

Please let us know what they had you do to your computer (not to the router) to try and fix this. This'll help us figure out what else needs to be done.
Crizz44
I had tried the repair option for the network and was getting the error to clear the ARP cache, which I have done. Now it does complete the repair, but still nothing. I have released and renewed with the cmd prompt, it works but does not fix the problem.
I have flushed the dns also.
I ran Ccleaner, Winsockxpfix, and disabled the "Routing and Remote Services" that is a suggestion I found elsewhere. Still nothing.
Linksys chat had me hook up the laptop to the router #1 slot and then ran the setup from the http://192.168.1.1
She did not alter anything on the computer, just the router setup.
She had me change the Channel from 6 to 11 and the IP address from 192.168.1.1 to 192.168.2.1
she said the router was using the same IP as the modem.. And she set up the wireless WEP which we were waiting on until we had it set up. She had me use the "Keep Alive" option, yet on my setup I am using the "Connect on Demand" option.
Broadcast is Enabled and we are using the PPPoE for the Verizon DSL setup.
We do have to put in a Username and Password and I verified these were correct by going to her Verizon account and logging on.
I thought maybe a virus or spyware may be the cause, but then I tried the setup with her brand new laptop wired into the router and still the same thing. I just have this feeling I am missing something simple and not thinking. Thanks again for all of your help!!
acklan
What is the brand and model of your ADSL modem? A feature offered by many ADSL provider is a built in router with NAT. This is added security and is recommended. The problem comes in when you try to add a router to the mix. If the modem has a router built in you cannot use a second router in the default settings. It will have to be "bridged" or you will have to deselect the "Gateway" feature since the modem will have the Gateway router.
If the modem has a router installed you can 1) Go to the Linksys forum and they can describe how to configure the router. 2) Take the router back and purchase a WAP (Wireless Access Point) . This is what you has less the router feature. Think of it as a wireless hub. 3) Go with a wired hub or switch.
I cannot say for sure unless you post the brand and model modem but from what you are describing it is very possible.
usasma
OK, you've established that the connection works without a router, and that the router functions as it should. This leaves only Windows as the source of the problem. What version of IE are you using?

So, let's try some other stuff...
1) download the free Firefox browser ( http://www.mozilla.com/ ) and see if you can connect with it. (if you can, this points to IE as the problem)
2) disable any firewalls, antivirus, antispyware, security apps and see if you can connect with either IE or Firefox.
3) disable the current network connection, then create a new one.
4) rerun the network setup wizard.

If it's IE6 that's the problem, try reinstalling SP2 to see if that fixes it (it's the recommended way to repair IE6) If it's IE7 that's the problem, try google for repair of IE7. Reverting to IE6 will leave remnants of IE7 on your system - so that may/may not work.
Crizz44
The modem is a Westell 6100, and I am almost positive it is just a modem. Thanks for the information on the Gateway settings Acklan, that will come in handy later, I am sure. I had all firewalls and antiviruses turned off. I tried creating a new connection and that didn't work either. I tried 2 wireless Linksys routers and a wired only Linksys router, none would work. She returned her Linksys and purchased a D-Link model WBR-1310 and it worked great, no problems setting it up at all. I wish I knew what was the cause, but probably never will. She had a Dell Desktop and a HP laptop(brand new). I tried using each one in the setup individually and neither would work. I just wonder if the Linksys Chat was going in the right direction, when she said the routers address 192.168.1.1 was using the same IP as the modem. The D-Link uses 192.168.0.1. But we did try altering the Linksys to 192.168.2.1 and that did not help. I am at a loss, but the good news is the D-Link is working great. Thank you for everyone's help and any other thoughts would be interesting, just incase this comes up again. Thanks smile.gif
nomad55
Strangely enough, I just joined up to pose a similar issue.

My connection has been working fine for some time (Dell Wireless), but in the last couple of weeks has developed a glitch that I can"t identify.

When I log on the Internet connection is fine, but in anywhere from about 5 seconds to 5 minutes the connection dies, even though all the indicators say that the connection is fine/active. I can repair the connection, but then it dies again in the same way. The usual time to failure is between 60 and 120 seconds.

I'm convinced the problem is at the OS level, as when the link fails I can no longer connect to my wireless router either.

At no time do any of the connection indicators in the system tray recognise that there's an error.

I'm starting to wonder if maybe some patch was released 2-3 weeks ago that may be causing this problem...

FYI, I'm still running the XP Home that originally came with my Dell XPS Gen 4.

I'm completely stumped at this point; any help will be seriously appreciated.
usasma
There's no standard for the router addresses. In the US the most common are 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.1.1
Crizz44
usasma, do you have any idea why another brand router would work so easily. I know that the 2 Linksys routers I had were working fine the last time I checked. The Linksys chat brought up the possible conflict with the IP addresses. I just wish I knew what the problem was in case it comes up again. Thanks for all your help smile.gif

Nomad55, I keep a backup router to test with, just in case the router is bad, but in this case my backup was a Linksys router and for some reason the Linksys was not working with her setup. Another thought , have you checked to see if your router has a firmware update? They can be helpful with connection issues.
usasma
Why would one brand work better than another? I'd suspect that it was based in the routines that the driver runs - some are better at different hardware than others are.

Generally I stick with what works. And when I have problems, I either worry 'em to death or switch brands. The switch usually works well because I haven't tried their troubleshooting yet - and they're usually returnable if they don't work.

I was a LinkSys devotee until problems sent me to NetGear. I suspect that DLink will be the next one for me! smile.gif
Crizz44
Thank you usasma, I will keep that in mind. I wasted a lot of time trying to figure it out. I think I will keep another brand on hand for the future. Everything is still working great with the DLink ! Thanks for everyones help ! smile.gif
ib4gains
QUOTE(Crizz44 @ Nov 23 2006, 12:11 AM) *
I am trying to help a friend. She has Verizon DSL and it works fine with no problems. We are trying to add a Linksys Wireless G router. All of the connections are correct and the network icon shows that it is connected and there is a default gateway present. The problem is that we get "Page cannot be displayed", even though it says it is connected. I cannot understand what could be blocking Internet Explorer. We hooked up another known working router and received the same problem, so it is not the router. We can disconnect the router and use just the DSL modem and we can get on Internet Explorer just fine. Any suggestion would be greatly appreciated. smile.gif


In the admin of the linksys, did you set the isp settings as dynamic or static?

ib4gains
Crizz44
I set it to dynamic. She has DSL thru Verizon. The thing is Linksys went over all the settings with me and it still didn't work.
nforce
I've had many probems with my Linksys router (like random internet cut-outs) and I have found that most of them were solved in a simple firmware upgrade. I especially disliked the firmware from september, but now its working better with novembers update.
tos226
Verizon DSL modem and Linksys routers coexist just fine.
I don't recall all the details, but here are few pieces I recall from my old setup as well as one I did recently for someone.

Shut off the computer. Then the router (pull the plug), then the Verizon modem (has a switch, right?).
Connect computer back to the DSL modem and tell it to be just a router, not a DNS server, nothing -- here's where I don't recall the details unfortunately and that's the most important part. Muddle your way through somehow, please.
Then turn off the computer. Turn off the DSL modem.
Replug Router into the modem, and computer into the router.
Slowly turn on DSL modem, wait till it stabilizes.
Turn on the router, wait till it stabilizes.
Turn on the computer.

Tell Windows to use 192.168.1.1, obtain IP address automatically, ditto DNS and DHCP if I recall.
Run IE. In the address bar type 192.168.1.1 and setup PPPoE, enter username for Verizon - that funny name they gave you - and enter password.

Almost immediately the router fills in the 2 DNS server Verizon uses and it's good going from there.
Sorry I don't recall all the details, but the important part really is what the DSL box does. It has to be made into just the translator, and Linksys will do all the serious work since it has a great firewall.

usasma, it's funny how different people like different things smile.gif Verizon gave me a DLINK router or FIOS, free. I couldn't stand their ugly and confusing interface, couldn't stand one IP address merging with another ... ended up trashing it and back to Linksys smile.gif That was couple months ago, which is why I can't remember my old setup too well. If help still needed here, I'll dig out some old notes.
Crizz44
tos226, thanks for your reply. I had done this and still nothing. I have a Linksys and Verizon and have set up several others, but never had this kind of problem. Then the Linksys chat had me go thru the steps again too, but it wouldn't work. Her computer is working great with the DLink. I just don't get it. I too prefer Linksys and always suggested it to others, but this time it wasn't a very good suggestion. I have never had any problems with mine in years. I just wish I knew why I couldn't get it connected. Thanks again !
tos226
These things can drive you mad, can't they?
Just the other day I posted various real examples on this site, perhaps something will click
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/topic74706.html
Go to the very end of that thread and take a look at examples (1) and then (3). Does what you setup look similar to (3) -- 'cause that one works very well for someone I did the transition.
acklan
Crizz44 I researched your Westell Model 6100 modem and according to the documentation it does have a Router with NAT built in. i believe you may be better off taking your router back and buying a hub, switch, or wireless access point.
You need to set the Westell up in bridge mode. Here is an guide from Lava.

http://www.lava.net/support/Westell_6100_D...tallation_Guide
Crizz44
Thanks again for all of your help. I didn't realize that the 6100 had a router built in. Bridge mode was never tried, but I will remember to check that from now on. She did take back the router so we can't try it, but I still wonder why the DLink worked without having to bridge them. Tos226 , thanks again, but the ipconfig information looked normal. I appreciate everyones time on this. smile.gif
acklan
This is what I have at the house. I love these things. They are rock solid, cheap, and I could not imagine needing to expand. Except wireless access point one day.

http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=3910288
Crizz44
Thanks Acklan, I will look into getting one of those. I appreciate all of your help !
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