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This is incredilous!! Our law is based on English common law, and no benifit can be derived from an illegal act. We are a country of immigrants. To flaunt our laws is an insult. I say: while they are easily identifiable, round them up and drop them on the other side of the border. That will keep the ACLU busy for years. I spend a lot of time in Greece and Turkey, and if I pulled a stunt like that I would disappear. I wonder if I steal a car and keep it for X years can I get the title to it? My head hurts.
One thing I don't get. Didn't we try to take away the legal immigrants jobs recently? Didn't we complain about them taking all of our jobs? When in reality they only took the jobs no one wanted.
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Why do we still have the law/code/rule (or whatever) where if 2 illegals (couple), come over and have a baby, the baby can legally stay, however the parents get deported.
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Personally I do think that the illegals shouldn't illegally cross the border. However, if you were in there shoes, with very little money. Wasn't sure about your next meal, and wanted a better oppurtunity to where you could get benefits from here, what would you do?
And legally to get into this country (the immigration test) you have to get atleast 85% of this write: ( http://www.floydpinkerton.net/fun/immigration/imindex.html )
However the question may seem easy for Americans, however for people who know very little about our country would have a very difficult time studing. Especially when it's hard to gather materials about USA in Mexican libraries. (it would be like trying to find out that stuff about Mexico in one of our libraries) (remember the internet isn't provided in libraries as easily as it is here)
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Back on topic:
Why do we still have the law/code/rule (or whatever) where if 2 illegals (couple), come over and have a baby, the baby can legally stay, however the parents get deported.
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Personally I do think that the illegals shouldn't illegally cross the border. However, if you were in there shoes, with very little money. Wasn't sure about your next meal, and wanted a better oppurtunity to where you could get benefits from here, what would you do?
And legally to get into this country (the immigration test) you have to get atleast 85% of this write: ( http://www.floydpinkerton.net/fun/immigration/imindex.html )
However the question may seem easy for Americans, however for people who know very little about our country would have a very difficult time studing. Especially when it's hard to gather materials about USA in Mexican libraries. (it would be like trying to find out that stuff about Mexico in one of our libraries) (remember the internet isn't provided in libraries as easily as it is here)
'Mad as Hell' Coalition Tells US, 'Do What Mexico Does'
School District Gives Credits to Students Who Rally for Lawbreakers
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Socialisim????
There are much more far reaching consequences, than just illegals wishing to stay in the United States.
Why would an organization such as ANSWER support this cause???
An organization with communist ties.
Hmm.... these millions of illegal immigrants would make quite the army wouldn't they?
We are being taken down from the inside!!!!
School District Gives Credits to Students Who Rally for Lawbreakers
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Brian Edwards, a spokesman for the school district, said any organization with which students volunteer must be approved by the school district. So far the school district only recognizes protests and rallies by so-called pro-immigration groups. He says CASA of Maryland, the group sponsoring the students at the rally, is an approved group, and they will be watching the students who plan to march.
CASA de Maryland is a left-wing organization whose stated goal is obtaining special rights for llegal immigrants including access to social and healthcare services and driver licences for illegal aliens.
Chris Core, talk-show host on Washington's WMAL-AM, noted that CASA de Maryland, the pro-illegal immigration group, has now threatened to follow the kids of the Minutemen to their schools. Core says the natural reaction of any parent toward anyone harassing, threatening, or following his kids would be to go after that person "with a baseball bat."
While the Maryland's Montgomery County School District attempt to put a happy face on CASA, the group is in collusion with International ANSWER, a known communist front group. And CASA didn't seem to get much in the way of a background check to get school officials to approve having students participate in CASA's activities.
CASA de Maryland is a left-wing organization whose stated goal is obtaining special rights for llegal immigrants including access to social and healthcare services and driver licences for illegal aliens.
Chris Core, talk-show host on Washington's WMAL-AM, noted that CASA de Maryland, the pro-illegal immigration group, has now threatened to follow the kids of the Minutemen to their schools. Core says the natural reaction of any parent toward anyone harassing, threatening, or following his kids would be to go after that person "with a baseball bat."
While the Maryland's Montgomery County School District attempt to put a happy face on CASA, the group is in collusion with International ANSWER, a known communist front group. And CASA didn't seem to get much in the way of a background check to get school officials to approve having students participate in CASA's activities.
Socialisim???? 
There are much more far reaching consequences, than just illegals wishing to stay in the United States.
Why would an organization such as ANSWER support this cause???
An organization with communist ties.
Hmm.... these millions of illegal immigrants would make quite the army wouldn't they?
We are being taken down from the inside!!!!
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Why do we still have the law/code/rule (or whatever) where if 2 illegals (couple), come over and have a baby, the baby can legally stay, however the parents get deported.
US Constitution, 14th amendment (in part):
Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.
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However, if you were in there shoes, with very little money. Wasn't sure about your next meal, and wanted a better oppurtunity to where you could get benefits from here, what would you do?
Rob a bank? Would having 'very little money....not sure of next meal' make it all right for me to rob a bank?
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And legally to get into this country (the immigration test) you have to get atleast 85% of this write: ( http://www.floydpinkerton.net/fun/immigration/imindex.html )
However the question may seem easy for Americans, however for people who know very little about our country would have a very difficult time studing.
However the question may seem easy for Americans, however for people who know very little about our country would have a very difficult time studing.
Well, seems that some are able to do so. If some are, why not others. Sounds like a cop-out to me.
{edit} No, actually, this list of questions is for the CITIZENSHIP test. One does not have to pass a citizenship test to legally enter the country.
That said, I would be in favor a some form of guest-worker program that makes it much easier to come to the US to work. But those who have broken the law entering the US should have to return home and apply just like all the others.
Part of the problem now are americans that do not speak english and have no intention of learning to do so. I was in south florida not long ago and I may as well have been in Cuba. We used to be a melting pot. Now our society is melting while smoking pot. I know that is off topic, but is it? Crime goes hand in hand with poverty. People that break the law to be here are vulnerable to manipulation. We are not being overrun by Canadians.....
Transcript of March 18 talk - Given by A.N.S.W.E.R. organizer Muna Coobtee in L.A.
~ All text in bold is how it appears on linked page.
Beware
Forewarned is forearmed.
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Struggle against imperialist war and racism
This demonstration—like protests going on all over the world today—reaffirms the will of people everywhere to continue to build a global movement for peace with justice everywhere. The people’s needs must come first. We must disarm and dethrone the centers of militarism and repression centered in Washington and Wall Street, to rebuild and redistribute the wealth which we, as working people around the world, have created. It is through a mass, independent movement in the streets that this will happen.
We are building that kind of movement against war and racism that can transform society, disarm the Pentagon and win back all that has been stolen from us - from Los Angeles to Baghdad , to Manila , Port au Price, Caracas , Gaza and everywhere. Let’s keep it real and keep it in the streets.
This demonstration—like protests going on all over the world today—reaffirms the will of people everywhere to continue to build a global movement for peace with justice everywhere. The people’s needs must come first. We must disarm and dethrone the centers of militarism and repression centered in Washington and Wall Street, to rebuild and redistribute the wealth which we, as working people around the world, have created. It is through a mass, independent movement in the streets that this will happen.
We are building that kind of movement against war and racism that can transform society, disarm the Pentagon and win back all that has been stolen from us - from Los Angeles to Baghdad , to Manila , Port au Price, Caracas , Gaza and everywhere. Let’s keep it real and keep it in the streets.
~ All text in bold is how it appears on linked page.
Beware
Forewarned is forearmed.
QUOTE(Scarlett @ Apr 10 2006, 11:12 PM) 
Transcript of March 18 talk - Given by A.N.S.W.E.R. organizer Muna Coobtee in L.A.
~ All text in bold is how it appears on linked page.
Beware
Forewarned is forearmed.
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Struggle against imperialist war and racism
This demonstration—like protests going on all over the world today—reaffirms the will of people everywhere to continue to build a global movement for peace with justice everywhere. The people’s needs must come first. We must disarm and dethrone the centers of militarism and repression centered in Washington and Wall Street, to rebuild and redistribute the wealth which we, as working people around the world, have created. It is through a mass, independent movement in the streets that this will happen.
We are building that kind of movement against war and racism that can transform society, disarm the Pentagon and win back all that has been stolen from us - from Los Angeles to Baghdad , to Manila , Port au Price, Caracas , Gaza and everywhere. Let’s keep it real and keep it in the streets.
This demonstration—like protests going on all over the world today—reaffirms the will of people everywhere to continue to build a global movement for peace with justice everywhere. The people’s needs must come first. We must disarm and dethrone the centers of militarism and repression centered in Washington and Wall Street, to rebuild and redistribute the wealth which we, as working people around the world, have created. It is through a mass, independent movement in the streets that this will happen.
We are building that kind of movement against war and racism that can transform society, disarm the Pentagon and win back all that has been stolen from us - from Los Angeles to Baghdad , to Manila , Port au Price, Caracas , Gaza and everywhere. Let’s keep it real and keep it in the streets.
~ All text in bold is how it appears on linked page.
Beware
Forewarned is forearmed.
That disturbs me...seriously. It sounds a lot like socialism. And I don't think that is a realistic goal.
A.N.S.W.E.R. is a communist/socialist organization.
Excactly my point ddeerrff.
As one can see in my prior post linked here: http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/ind...ndpost&p=266801
I have posted thumbnails of protestors at the first protests in March, carrying signs from ANSWER,
(whom BTW provided them by the truckload, viewed a pic of such myself) and also carried signs of
the Party for Socialism and Liberation: http://socialismandliberation.org/mag/inde...63d6e69f8181e76
So what does this all mean.......in the bigger picture?
As one can see in my prior post linked here: http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/ind...ndpost&p=266801
I have posted thumbnails of protestors at the first protests in March, carrying signs from ANSWER,
(whom BTW provided them by the truckload, viewed a pic of such myself) and also carried signs of
the Party for Socialism and Liberation: http://socialismandliberation.org/mag/inde...63d6e69f8181e76
So what does this all mean.......in the bigger picture?
So what's the big deal anyway?
Immigrants (legal or not) come to the US to work, earn money, pay taxes.
What's the problem with that?
They work for less money, but it's more money than they could earn at home.
If Americans would work at those jobs for those wages, then there would be no reason for illegal immigrants to come here.
The people who hire illegals know that they're illegal. So they can pay lower wages. If there were no jobs available, people wouldn't come. So you have to blame the people who hire them.
Make them pay better wages so that Americans citizens will be willing to do the jobs that the illegals are now working at.
That would solve the major problem.
Of course, if they pay higher wages, then the price of food and services would rise. But freedom loving Americans wouldn't mind paying more for everything to keep those people out of the USA, would they?
I understand there are now 8-11 million illegal immigrants in the US. A lot of people to deport. A lot of work that won't get done once they're gone.
I also understand that a large part of the construction of houses in this country is done by illegal immigrants. Who will build your houses once they're gone?
Here's a quote from Slate, April 11/2006
"Meatpacking plants in the Midwest and hotels and other businesses in the South were crippled by absenteeism." Chicken company Tyson Foods tried to play down the missing, with a spokesman saying "fewer than 10 of the more than 100 facilities" were closed for the day. In other words, Tyson was forced to close about 10 factories because of the marches? "
This is happening just because of workers taking the day off to attend the rallies. Imagine, if you can, what would happen if all the illegal workers in these places were deported.
Immigrants (legal or not) come to the US to work, earn money, pay taxes.
What's the problem with that?
They work for less money, but it's more money than they could earn at home.
If Americans would work at those jobs for those wages, then there would be no reason for illegal immigrants to come here.
The people who hire illegals know that they're illegal. So they can pay lower wages. If there were no jobs available, people wouldn't come. So you have to blame the people who hire them.
Make them pay better wages so that Americans citizens will be willing to do the jobs that the illegals are now working at.
That would solve the major problem.
Of course, if they pay higher wages, then the price of food and services would rise. But freedom loving Americans wouldn't mind paying more for everything to keep those people out of the USA, would they?
I understand there are now 8-11 million illegal immigrants in the US. A lot of people to deport. A lot of work that won't get done once they're gone.
I also understand that a large part of the construction of houses in this country is done by illegal immigrants. Who will build your houses once they're gone?
Here's a quote from Slate, April 11/2006
"Meatpacking plants in the Midwest and hotels and other businesses in the South were crippled by absenteeism." Chicken company Tyson Foods tried to play down the missing, with a spokesman saying "fewer than 10 of the more than 100 facilities" were closed for the day. In other words, Tyson was forced to close about 10 factories because of the marches? "
This is happening just because of workers taking the day off to attend the rallies. Imagine, if you can, what would happen if all the illegal workers in these places were deported.
One should ask, "Why are communists and socialists organizations so supportive of this effort?"
For years, liberal elitists have been preoccupied with destroying America's distinctive values by favoring secularim, socialism, and Multiculturalism. The origin of this preoccupation can be traced to the East where socialists and communists realized they could never defeat the United States through military power. They devised a plan to defeat America from within using liberal American citizens sympathetic to the socialist agenda and by infiltrating high government positions with sympathetic agents.
Ion Mihai Pacepa, acting chief of Romania's espionage service and national-security adviser to the country's president and the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc stated:
Since then, communists and socialists sympathizers found a home in the American politcal system where they have actively engaged in speading propaganda to uninformed citizens while promising cradle to the grave benefits. Aided by a liberal MSM, they seek power in governmental affairs by controlling a base of ignorant voters through the use of fear and division under the guise of multiculuralism.
What did these radical groups do in the 2004 election: U.S. Communists to Support Democrats
The Democratic Socialists of America is the largest socialist organization in the U.S., with 5,500 members and local organizations in many large cities. It is affiliated with the Socialist International, a federation of the world's socialist, social democratic and labor parties. It was founded as a group determined to push the Democratic Party to the left and has worked closely with the Congressional Progressive Caucus.
The Congressional Progressive Caucus is a socialist-leaning bloc of about 60 votes or nearly 30 percent of the minority vote in Congress. Members of the Progressive Caucus such as House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, avowed socialist Rep. Bernie Sanders, the Vermont independent, Dennis Kucinich, the co-chairman of the caucus, Maxine Waters, Barney Frank and John Conyers, represent a large, unyielding voting and lobbying bloc pushing the government inevitably toward the goals of its Democratic Socialists of America sponsors.
Thus it is important that they continue to grow their base and increase their voice/role in U.S. government policy. Increasing that base through the manipulation and recruitment of hispanic immigrants will further the agenda and eventually lead to the goal of destroying America from within.
For years, liberal elitists have been preoccupied with destroying America's distinctive values by favoring secularim, socialism, and Multiculturalism. The origin of this preoccupation can be traced to the East where socialists and communists realized they could never defeat the United States through military power. They devised a plan to defeat America from within using liberal American citizens sympathetic to the socialist agenda and by infiltrating high government positions with sympathetic agents.
Ion Mihai Pacepa, acting chief of Romania's espionage service and national-security adviser to the country's president and the highest-ranking intelligence officer ever to have defected from the former Soviet bloc stated:
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The KGB campaign to assault the U.S. and Europe by means of disinformation was more than just a few Cold War dirty tricks. The whole foreign policy of the Soviet-bloc states, indeed its whole economic and military might, revolved around the larger Soviet objective of destroying America from within through the use of lies. The Soviets saw disinformation as a vital tool in the dialectical advance of world Communism...KGB priority number one at that time was to damage American power, judgment, and credibility.
Since then, communists and socialists sympathizers found a home in the American politcal system where they have actively engaged in speading propaganda to uninformed citizens while promising cradle to the grave benefits. Aided by a liberal MSM, they seek power in governmental affairs by controlling a base of ignorant voters through the use of fear and division under the guise of multiculuralism.
What did these radical groups do in the 2004 election: U.S. Communists to Support Democrats
The Democratic Socialists of America is the largest socialist organization in the U.S., with 5,500 members and local organizations in many large cities. It is affiliated with the Socialist International, a federation of the world's socialist, social democratic and labor parties. It was founded as a group determined to push the Democratic Party to the left and has worked closely with the Congressional Progressive Caucus.
The Congressional Progressive Caucus is a socialist-leaning bloc of about 60 votes or nearly 30 percent of the minority vote in Congress. Members of the Progressive Caucus such as House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, avowed socialist Rep. Bernie Sanders, the Vermont independent, Dennis Kucinich, the co-chairman of the caucus, Maxine Waters, Barney Frank and John Conyers, represent a large, unyielding voting and lobbying bloc pushing the government inevitably toward the goals of its Democratic Socialists of America sponsors.
Thus it is important that they continue to grow their base and increase their voice/role in U.S. government policy. Increasing that base through the manipulation and recruitment of hispanic immigrants will further the agenda and eventually lead to the goal of destroying America from within.
QUOTE(awfeckit @ Apr 11 2006, 04:27 AM)
So what's the big deal anyway?
Immigrants (legal or not) come to the US to work, earn money, pay taxes.
What's the problem with that?
They work for less money, but it's more money than they could earn at home.
Immigrants (legal or not) come to the US to work, earn money, pay taxes.
What's the problem with that?
They work for less money, but it's more money than they could earn at home.
The big deal is that illegals do not pay taxes. If you believe the report most of the legal Mexicans do not pay taxes, but both groups soak up far more from this country than the put in. If they have a child in this country then you never get rid of them. The only work for less because they cannot complain fro fear of being deported.
QUOTE(awfeckit @ Apr 11 2006, 04:27 AM)
If Americans would work at those jobs for those wages, then there would be no reason for illegal immigrants to come here.
If there were no illegal workers to draw from then the buniesses would have to pay a fair wage.
QUOTE(awfeckit @ Apr 11 2006, 04:27 AM)
The people who hire illegals know that they're illegal. So they can pay lower wages. If there were no jobs available, people wouldn't come. So you have to blame the people who hire them.
Make them pay better wages so that Americans citizens will be willing to do the jobs that the illegals are now working at.
That would solve the major problem.
Make them pay better wages so that Americans citizens will be willing to do the jobs that the illegals are now working at.
That would solve the major problem.
I agree. I would like to see anyone who hires illegal workers lose the privledge to hold a buiness permit for one year. I would bet you could not melt and pour a illegal on that employer.
QUOTE(awfeckit @ Apr 11 2006, 04:27 AM)
Of course, if they pay higher wages, then the price of food and services would rise. But freedom loving Americans wouldn't mind paying more for everything to keep those people out of the USA, would they?
It is called supply and demad. The wages have been kept artifically low because of the pool of ever growing numbers of illegal workers.
QUOTE(awfeckit @ Apr 11 2006, 04:27 AM)
I understand there are now 8-11 million illegal immigrants in the US. A lot of people to deport. A lot of work that won't get done once they're gone.
Wrong. The price of the product like the cost of wages will also go up. Cannot have it both ways.
QUOTE(awfeckit @ Apr 11 2006, 04:27 AM)
I also understand that a large part of the construction of houses in this country is done by illegal immigrants. Who will build your houses once they're gone?
Higher paid Americans. Once again, supply and demand.
QUOTE(awfeckit @ Apr 11 2006, 04:27 AM)
Here's a quote from Slate, April 11/2006
"Meatpacking plants in the Midwest and hotels and other businesses in the South were crippled by absenteeism." Chicken company Tyson Foods tried to play down the missing, with a spokesman saying "fewer than 10 of the more than 100 facilities" were closed for the day. In other words, Tyson was forced to close about 10 factories because of the marches? "
This is happening just because of workers taking the day off to attend the rallies. Imagine, if you can, what would happen if all the illegal workers in these places were deported.
"Meatpacking plants in the Midwest and hotels and other businesses in the South were crippled by absenteeism." Chicken company Tyson Foods tried to play down the missing, with a spokesman saying "fewer than 10 of the more than 100 facilities" were closed for the day. In other words, Tyson was forced to close about 10 factories because of the marches? "
This is happening just because of workers taking the day off to attend the rallies. Imagine, if you can, what would happen if all the illegal workers in these places were deported.
So? You could make the same arguement about any group. What if blacks, whites, or asian Americans decided not to report to work until all illegal workers were deported? The could claim, and rightly so, that the presence of illegal workers keep wages from going up. That is never a good position to take. Extortion has away of backfiring.
Still never heard an answer to my question. If the Mexicans are pure North Americans how did they learn spanish? Are the people in charge in Mexico if not full atleast part Europian?
Build a 20' three layer deep fence from the Gulf of Mexico to the Pacific Ocean. From the Atlantic Ocean to the Pacific Ocean. Lock the boarder down. Expropriate the land from the boarder to ½ mile inside the US and repel all boarders. Both north and south. And for you who will say it did not work in Europe. That was different. They were trying to keep there own people in. Were will have the barb wire facing out, not in.
Yesterday's Highlights:
The organizers have succeeded in making this a political issue against conservative political leaders. According to the above article, one sign read "Bush Step Down" even though he is in support of a guest worker program with a path to citizenship in opposition to many in his own party. The facts are being distorted and presented by the MSM to favor liberals just as they did during the civil rights movement.
I also heard reports on the radio where Dems attended the rallys to criticize the administration, spread misinformation and recruit voters for their party.
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Hundreds of thousands of people demanding U.S. citizenship for illegal immigrants took to the streets in dozens of cities from New York to San Diego on Monday...In North Carolina and Dallas, immigrant groups called for an economic boycott to show their financial impact. In Pittsburgh and other cities, protesters gathered outside lawmakers' offices. At the Mississippi Capitol, they sang "We Shall Overcome" in Spanish...The Rev. James Orange from the Georgia Coalition for the People's Agenda compared the march to civil rights demonstrations led by the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. ...In New Jersey - with the Statute of Liberty in the background - several hundred people listened to speeches in Spanish and waved U.S., Colombian and Mexican flags...Many waved flags, both American and of countries of their origin...We just need to make our voices heard. You want to live in a place where people are treated with dignity.
The organizers have succeeded in making this a political issue against conservative political leaders. According to the above article, one sign read "Bush Step Down" even though he is in support of a guest worker program with a path to citizenship in opposition to many in his own party. The facts are being distorted and presented by the MSM to favor liberals just as they did during the civil rights movement.
I also heard reports on the radio where Dems attended the rallys to criticize the administration, spread misinformation and recruit voters for their party.
Funny how they now carried more American flags and the protests are now "rally's" ????
How transparent is all that. A thinly veiled ploy to say the least. I for one am not falling for it.
Correct! Hillary Clinton is singing a different tune. She changes her stance to apply whatever her current agenda is at the time.
Then....
But now that she may have the presidency in her scope, she is out there sympathizing with the illegal immigrant cause in order to suck up their votes!
And now....
Hillary Clinton must of gone to the John Kerry School of Political Maneuvering.
Hillary's socialist background is quite the eye opener. IMO
Perhaps she sang the old tune in order to get a foot in the door.
So that later once settled in she could then push her socialist agenda on America.
A socialist trojan horse???
HILARY CLINTON’S OPEN SOCIALISM
Secure our borders now!
We are being taken down from the inside!
How transparent is all that. A thinly veiled ploy to say the least. I for one am not falling for it.
QUOTE(quietman7 @ Apr 11 2006, 09:02 AM)
I also heard reports on the radio where Dems attended the rallys to criticize the administration, spread misinformation and recruit voters for their party.
Correct! Hillary Clinton is singing a different tune. She changes her stance to apply whatever her current agenda is at the time.
Then....
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Just Ask Hilary Clinton What Jesus Would Do
In a radio interview with WABC in New York in 2003, she stated:
“I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigration.” She called for a comprehensive system to track these immigrants, some form of entry and exit identification and tighter border controls, and she reluctantly suggested that an identification system for citizens might be needed.
“People have to stop employing illegal immigrants," she said in the 2003 interview. “I mean, come up to Westchester, go to Suffolk and Nassau counties, stand on the street corners in Brooklyn or the Bronx — you’re going to see loads of people waiting to get picked up to go do yard work and construction work and domestic work.”
In a radio interview with WABC in New York in 2003, she stated:
“I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigration.” She called for a comprehensive system to track these immigrants, some form of entry and exit identification and tighter border controls, and she reluctantly suggested that an identification system for citizens might be needed.
“People have to stop employing illegal immigrants," she said in the 2003 interview. “I mean, come up to Westchester, go to Suffolk and Nassau counties, stand on the street corners in Brooklyn or the Bronx — you’re going to see loads of people waiting to get picked up to go do yard work and construction work and domestic work.”
But now that she may have the presidency in her scope, she is out there sympathizing with the illegal immigrant cause in order to suck up their votes!
And now....
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http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=132794
“It is so heartening to see you here,” said Clinton. “You are really here on behalf of what America means, America’s values, America’s hopes.”
“It is so heartening to see you here,” said Clinton. “You are really here on behalf of what America means, America’s values, America’s hopes.”
Hillary Clinton must of gone to the John Kerry School of Political Maneuvering.
Hillary's socialist background is quite the eye opener. IMO
Perhaps she sang the old tune in order to get a foot in the door.
So that later once settled in she could then push her socialist agenda on America.
A socialist trojan horse???
HILARY CLINTON’S OPEN SOCIALISM
Secure our borders now!
We are being taken down from the inside!
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HILARY CLINTON’S OPEN SOCIALISM
Senator Clinton shares this Marxists view....Clinton is hell bent on taking America back to the pre-revolutionary era when individuals persons were not deemed sovereign but subject to the will of the crown who supposedly had the divine authority to order us all about in our lives for the common good.
Senator Clinton shares this Marxists view....Clinton is hell bent on taking America back to the pre-revolutionary era when individuals persons were not deemed sovereign but subject to the will of the crown who supposedly had the divine authority to order us all about in our lives for the common good.
She has a long history of advocating socialism, all of which the MSM help keep under wraps to protect her.
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"We are at a stage in history in which remolding society is one of the great challenges facing all of us in the West." ...spoken by Hillary Rodham Clinton during her 1993 commencement address at the University of Texas
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"We just can't trust the American people to make those types of choices.... Government has to make those choices for people
More of her words of wisdom in today's Just Being Herself
i'm beginning to think americans are spirilling into a swirl of paranoia.
America is not the first country to have to deal with this....yes it is annoying and very disrespectful to see the way they are carrying on...but to say close the borders is rubbish.....after 911 how tighter can the borders get??!!
America is not the first country to have to deal with this....yes it is annoying and very disrespectful to see the way they are carrying on...but to say close the borders is rubbish.....after 911 how tighter can the borders get??!!
Then how do you stop the illegal flow of immigrants if closing the borders is rubbish? This problem is not all about 9/11 - that's just a part of it.
QUOTE(Scarlett @ Apr 11 2006, 11:07 AM)
Funny how they now carried more American flags and the protests are now "rally's" ????
How transparent is all that. A thinly veiled ploy to say the least. I for one am not falling for it.
I also heard reports on the radio where Dems attended the rallys to criticize the administration, spread misinformation and recruit voters for their party.
Correct! Hillary Clinton is singing a different tune. She changes her stance to apply whatever her current agenda is at the time.
Then....
But now that she may have the presidency in her scope, she is out there sympathizing with the illegal immigrant cause in order to suck up their votes!
And now....
Hillary Clinton must of gone to the John Kerry School of Political Maneuvering.
Hillary's socialist background is quite the eye opener. IMO
Perhaps she sang the old tune in order to get a foot in the door.
So that later once settled in she could then push her socialist agenda on America.
A socialist trojan horse???
HILARY CLINTON’S OPEN SOCIALISM
Secure our borders now!
We are being taken down from the inside!
How transparent is all that. A thinly veiled ploy to say the least. I for one am not falling for it.
QUOTE(quietman7 @ Apr 11 2006, 09:02 AM)
I also heard reports on the radio where Dems attended the rallys to criticize the administration, spread misinformation and recruit voters for their party.
Correct! Hillary Clinton is singing a different tune. She changes her stance to apply whatever her current agenda is at the time.
Then....
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Just Ask Hilary Clinton What Jesus Would Do
In a radio interview with WABC in New York in 2003, she stated:
“I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigration.” She called for a comprehensive system to track these immigrants, some form of entry and exit identification and tighter border controls, and she reluctantly suggested that an identification system for citizens might be needed.
“People have to stop employing illegal immigrants," she said in the 2003 interview. “I mean, come up to Westchester, go to Suffolk and Nassau counties, stand on the street corners in Brooklyn or the Bronx — you’re going to see loads of people waiting to get picked up to go do yard work and construction work and domestic work.”
In a radio interview with WABC in New York in 2003, she stated:
“I am, you know, adamantly against illegal immigration.” She called for a comprehensive system to track these immigrants, some form of entry and exit identification and tighter border controls, and she reluctantly suggested that an identification system for citizens might be needed.
“People have to stop employing illegal immigrants," she said in the 2003 interview. “I mean, come up to Westchester, go to Suffolk and Nassau counties, stand on the street corners in Brooklyn or the Bronx — you’re going to see loads of people waiting to get picked up to go do yard work and construction work and domestic work.”
But now that she may have the presidency in her scope, she is out there sympathizing with the illegal immigrant cause in order to suck up their votes!
And now....
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http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=132794
“It is so heartening to see you here,” said Clinton. “You are really here on behalf of what America means, America’s values, America’s hopes.”
“It is so heartening to see you here,” said Clinton. “You are really here on behalf of what America means, America’s values, America’s hopes.”
Hillary Clinton must of gone to the John Kerry School of Political Maneuvering.
Hillary's socialist background is quite the eye opener. IMO
Perhaps she sang the old tune in order to get a foot in the door.
So that later once settled in she could then push her socialist agenda on America.
A socialist trojan horse???
HILARY CLINTON’S OPEN SOCIALISM
Secure our borders now!
We are being taken down from the inside!
QUOTE(quietman7 @ Apr 11 2006, 11:35 AM)
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HILARY CLINTON’S OPEN SOCIALISM
Senator Clinton shares this Marxists view....Clinton is hell bent on taking America back to the pre-revolutionary era when individuals persons were not deemed sovereign but subject to the will of the crown who supposedly had the divine authority to order us all about in our lives for the common good.
Senator Clinton shares this Marxists view....Clinton is hell bent on taking America back to the pre-revolutionary era when individuals persons were not deemed sovereign but subject to the will of the crown who supposedly had the divine authority to order us all about in our lives for the common good.
She has a long history of advocating socialism, all of which the MSM help keep under wraps to protect her.
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"We are at a stage in history in which remolding society is one of the great challenges facing all of us in the West." ...spoken by Hillary Rodham Clinton during her 1993 commencement address at the University of Texas
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"We just can't trust the American people to make those types of choices.... Government has to make those choices for people
More of her words of wisdom in today's Just Being HerselfAck!!! Well, that settles it; I'm not voting for Hilary...I don't want socialism in this country.
QUOTE(snyper @ Apr 11 2006, 10:40 AM)
i'm beginning to think americans are spirilling into a swirl of paranoia.
America is not the first country to have to deal with this....yes it is annoying and very disrespectful to see the way they are carrying on...but to say close the borders is rubbish.....after 911 how tighter can the borders get??!!
America is not the first country to have to deal with this....yes it is annoying and very disrespectful to see the way they are carrying on...but to say close the borders is rubbish.....after 911 how tighter can the borders get??!!
Much more than just "annoying and very disrespectful"
They are demanding to be allowed to circumvent our laws!
Tight? There are more holes in our borders than a piece of swiss cheese.
I kindly suggest that you do some backreading in this topic.
This entire issue is not just about illegal immigrant rights. They have several socialist organization's
backing them! All part and parcel of the bigger picture! For God's sake, I do not know where you live.
( I'd like to know, if you do not mind saying)
But I have no desire to live in a socialist country. They must be stopped!
Secure our borders now!
We are being taken down from the inside!
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Still never heard an answer to my question. If the Mexicans are pure North Americans how did they learn spanish? Are the people in charge in Mexico if not full atleast part Europian?
I thought the answer was obvious.
Mexicans learned Spanish from the Europeans who took over their country. The same way other North American natives learned English.
The same way any culture has to learn the language when they are swamped by a larger, more aggressive culture. If you moved to China and had to learn a Chinese language to get along, that wouldn't make you Chinese.
If North American natives had to learn Spanish & English to get along that doesn't make them Europeans.
Are all of these immigrants claiming to be pure "North American?" Of course, after all this time, the ethnic groups that came here are mixed with the natives. That's what happens as populations expand and have to move somewhere else to find room to live. That's what is happening in North America right now.
It's a fact of life that's not going to change unless, for some reason, the human race ends.
I think most Mexicans have native ancestory. Easy enough to find out.
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mestizo (Amerindian-Spanish) 60%, Amerindian or predominantly Amerindian 30%, white 9%, other 1%
There you go. Straight from the CIA.
I don't know the bloodlines/ancestry of the people in charge of Mexico. Vincente Fox is apparently part Irish, part Spanish, part Mexican.
I don't know what that has to do with anything. It's not "the people in charge" who are becoming illegal immigrants.
What acklan was referring to was the fact that these illegal immigrants claim the entire continent of
North America as their own. That also includes Canada, BTW.
Which I explained here:
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/ind...ndpost&p=266215
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/ind...ndpost&p=266233
North America as their own. That also includes Canada, BTW.
Which I explained here:
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/ind...ndpost&p=266215
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/ind...ndpost&p=266233
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The big deal is that illegals do not pay taxes.
But don't the factories and other large companies that employ illegals (maybe Walmart, etc.) have to deduct taxes from their wages before they pay them?
That's how it is where I work.
And as far as I know, there are only 5 states in this country that don't charge sales tax on something or other so almost everyone pays taxes whenever they buy a taxable item.
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What acklan was referring to was the fact that these illegal immigrants claim the entire continent of
North America as their own. That also includes Canada, BTW.
North America as their own. That also includes Canada, BTW.
But since their people were here first, they're not illegal immigrants. This is where they came from.
Their people have been here for something like 30,000 years so the rest of us can't claim to own the land by birthright. And if we're claiming to own it because we took it from those with less power than us then we better wake up to the fact that those we displaced are once again becoming powerful and now they're coming back to claim what they think is theirs.
What goes around comes around.
So, since they are going to keep on coming, maybe we should be thinking about how to get along with them instead of freaking out and worrying about the falling sky.
The world is changing. No matter how big a fence is built, you can't hold it back forever. We have to adapt.
Personally, I don't care if my neighbours are Mexican, Muslim, Indian, white, red, brown, yellow, Latter Day Saints, Russian, or even American. As long as they're easy to get along with, mind their own business, and don't kick my dog.
You just do not get it. That is not what we are saying.
Illegals are paid with cash. No taxes taken out. To be precise no income taxes taken out. State or federal. So there are 11 million people here that do not have to pay taxes! Well that figure is not completely correct, since they all do not hold down jobs. But I and every other legal American does.
Of course if an illegal is purchasing something they pay state and local sales taxes. Big deal.
So in all reality my taxes are going towards helping illegals, but the do not recriprocate!
I resent that fact!
Something else for everyone to chew on:
Outrageous!!!
Something is most definitely wrong with this picture!
Maybe I'll just move to Mexico and demand the same rights as an Mexican citizen, and also receive benefits. Hmmm...
Wanna guess how long it takes for my butt to land in jail?
Im betting by nightfall.
Illegals are paid with cash. No taxes taken out. To be precise no income taxes taken out. State or federal. So there are 11 million people here that do not have to pay taxes! Well that figure is not completely correct, since they all do not hold down jobs. But I and every other legal American does.
Of course if an illegal is purchasing something they pay state and local sales taxes. Big deal.
So in all reality my taxes are going towards helping illegals, but the do not recriprocate!
I resent that fact!
Something else for everyone to chew on:
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States Grapple With In-State Tuition for Illegal Immigrants
Monday, March 06, 2006
By Liza Porteus
Fox News
WASHINGTON — For most teenagers, going to college is part of the American dream. But the cost of fulfilling that dream has become a source of controversy, as illegal immigrants sometimes pay less than U.S. citizens to attend the same college.
Monday, March 06, 2006
By Liza Porteus
Fox News
WASHINGTON — For most teenagers, going to college is part of the American dream. But the cost of fulfilling that dream has become a source of controversy, as illegal immigrants sometimes pay less than U.S. citizens to attend the same college.
Outrageous!!!
Something is most definitely wrong with this picture!
Maybe I'll just move to Mexico and demand the same rights as an Mexican citizen, and also receive benefits. Hmmm...
Wanna guess how long it takes for my butt to land in jail?
Im betting by nightfall.
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But since their people were here first, they're not illegal immigrants.
Just because they claim the entire continent of North America and Canada as their own does not mean that is the case. There is no proof other than what these groups are repeating in the media.However, this is fact:
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The controversial proposal to give illegal aliens taxpayer subsidized in-state tuition at American universities is included in the immigration "reform" bill that also contains the Guest Worker Amnesty proposals according to the Washington Times!
Nine states allow illegal aliens to receive the in-state tuition rates, but the law is under challenge in those states and most slipped the provision in with little or no public input. In states where public debate occurred, the measure failed in NC, FL, GA, and VA. In liberal Massachusetts the measure failed by a graphic 96-57 in the House. "If this bill passes, the American taxpayers will be forced to pay for illegal aliens to replace their own children in the limited seats in college"
Americans for Legal Immigration
Nine states allow illegal aliens to receive the in-state tuition rates, but the law is under challenge in those states and most slipped the provision in with little or no public input. In states where public debate occurred, the measure failed in NC, FL, GA, and VA. In liberal Massachusetts the measure failed by a graphic 96-57 in the House. "If this bill passes, the American taxpayers will be forced to pay for illegal aliens to replace their own children in the limited seats in college"
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If there were no illegal workers to draw from then the buniesses would have to pay a fair wage.
That would be great. Unless they move the business to Mexico.
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I would like to see anyone who hires illegal workers lose the privledge to hold a buiness permit for one year.
I suppose some could move to China.
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The price of the product like the cost of wages will also go up. Cannot have it both ways.
or India
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Higher paid Americans. Once again, supply and demand.
And the price of everything, especially food, will rise. That is no small fact to be ignored just because it doesn't fit.
And less housing built. Another important fact.
Higher paid workers is great, but what about those whose income doesn't rise?
Too bad for them. They'll have to learn to eat less.
At least you'll be rid of those darn illegals.
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What if blacks, whites, or asian Americans decided not to report to work until all illegal workers were deported? The could claim, and rightly so, that the presence of illegal workers keep wages from going up.
Sounds like a plan. Why don't they? Is this the extortion you mentioned?
Workers standing up for their rights isn't extortion. It's associated with a couple of concepts sometimes known as freedom and democracy.
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but what about those whose income doesn't rise? Too bad for them. They'll have to learn to eat less.
Or get a second job like a lot of Americans do.QUOTE
Workers standing up for their rights isn't extortion. It's associated with a couple of concepts sometimes known as freedom and democracy.
And if they were American citizens, they would be entitled to those rights. QUOTE
"The constitution was ordained and established by the people of the United States for themselves, for their own [federal] government” Chief Justice John Marshall, Barron v. Mayor and City Council of Baltimore, 7 Pet. 243, 8 L.Ed 672 (1833).
It was not written to give rights to non-citizens. Besides, we are a Republic and NOT a democracy.
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Just because they claim the entire continent of North America and Canada as their own does not mean that is the case. There is no proof other than what these groups are repeating in the media.
Actually there's a great deal of evidence that native people inhabited North and South America for tens of thousands of years before Europeans came here.
From Wikipedia:
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The Bering Strait Land Bridge theory
Based on anthropological and genetic evidence, most scientists believe that most Native Americans descend from people who migrated from Siberia across the Bering Land Bridge between 15,000 and 9,000 BC, where the Bering Strait is today.[1] The exact epoch and route is still a matter of controversy.
The primarily Siberian origin is widely regarded as the most likely, consisting of at least three separate migrations from Siberia to the Americas.[citation needed]
The first wave, during the late Pleistocene, would be the forerunners of the Clovis and Folsom cultures, both hunting the abundant large mammals of the virgin continent. This wave eventually spread over the entire hemisphere, as far south as Tierra del Fuego.[2]
The second migration brought the ancestors of the Na-Dene peoples. They lived in Alaska and western Canada, but some migrated as far south as the Pacific Northwestern U.S. and the American Southwest, and would be ancestral to the Dene, Apaches and Navajos. This group reached North America between 6,000 to 4,000 BC.[3]
The third wave brought the ancestors of the Inuit, Yupik and Aleut peoples. They may have come by sea over the Bering Strait, after the land bridge had disappeared. They are believed to have reached Alaska as late as 1,000 BC.
Based on anthropological and genetic evidence, most scientists believe that most Native Americans descend from people who migrated from Siberia across the Bering Land Bridge between 15,000 and 9,000 BC, where the Bering Strait is today.[1] The exact epoch and route is still a matter of controversy.
The primarily Siberian origin is widely regarded as the most likely, consisting of at least three separate migrations from Siberia to the Americas.[citation needed]
The first wave, during the late Pleistocene, would be the forerunners of the Clovis and Folsom cultures, both hunting the abundant large mammals of the virgin continent. This wave eventually spread over the entire hemisphere, as far south as Tierra del Fuego.[2]
The second migration brought the ancestors of the Na-Dene peoples. They lived in Alaska and western Canada, but some migrated as far south as the Pacific Northwestern U.S. and the American Southwest, and would be ancestral to the Dene, Apaches and Navajos. This group reached North America between 6,000 to 4,000 BC.[3]
The third wave brought the ancestors of the Inuit, Yupik and Aleut peoples. They may have come by sea over the Bering Strait, after the land bridge had disappeared. They are believed to have reached Alaska as late as 1,000 BC.
If you need more evidence check out museusms, universities, native web sites, etc.
There's tons of evidence everywhere. It can't all be discounted by heads buried in sand.
I was not referring to Native Americans, just the radicals sponsoring these protests who are making that claim.
This Is Our Continent - Nican Tlaca Mexica Anahuac
This Is Our Continent - Nican Tlaca Mexica Anahuac
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we are a Republic and NOT a democracy
http://library.thinkquest.org/
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The American Revolution is another important event in the history of democracy. The first step, of course, in America’s pursuit of democracy was the Declaration of Independence in 1776. In this great document, written by Thomas Jefferson, many ideas are taken from the aforementioned philosophers, Locke and Rousseau. From Locke, Jefferson borrowed the idea that all men are created equal, and he altered the right to life, liberty and property to "the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Jefferson borrowed a little from Rousseau as well when he said that all men should have the right to take up arms against the government if it did not respect these rights (Jefferson).
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Democracy is a system of rule that permits citizens to play a significant part in the governmental process," according to American Government by Theodore Lowi and Benjamin Ginsberg (A32). There are various interpretations of this definition and consequently many models of democracy. These models can be separated into two categories, direct and indirect. In direct democracies, all citizens are actively involved in making decisions, while in indirect democracies, citizens elect representatives to make laws and administer governmental affairs
Try again.
United States of America is a federal republic
A republic is a political system in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who can elect people to represent them.
The US is a republic and not a democracy because this was the form of government entrusted to us by the Framers. A republic is a form of government under a constitution, which provides an executive leader, a legislative body, a judiciary and certain inherent individual rights to its citizens. A republic is rule by law where the general population elects representatives who pass laws to govern the nation. The form of our republican government is the U.S. Constitution.
What does the Pledge of Allegiance say "...to the Republic for which it stands..."
Republic vs. Democracy
United States of America is a federal republic
A republic is a political system in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who can elect people to represent them.
The US is a republic and not a democracy because this was the form of government entrusted to us by the Framers. A republic is a form of government under a constitution, which provides an executive leader, a legislative body, a judiciary and certain inherent individual rights to its citizens. A republic is rule by law where the general population elects representatives who pass laws to govern the nation. The form of our republican government is the U.S. Constitution.
What does the Pledge of Allegiance say "...to the Republic for which it stands..."
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”Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.” James Madison, The Federalist on the New Constitution (Philadelphia: Benjamin Warner, 1818), p. 53, #10,
”Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” John Adams, The Works of John Adams, (Boston: Charles C. Little and James Brown, 1850), Vol. VI, p. 484, to John Taylor on April 15, 1814.
”Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” John Adams, The Works of John Adams, (Boston: Charles C. Little and James Brown, 1850), Vol. VI, p. 484, to John Taylor on April 15, 1814.
Republic vs. Democracy
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Just after the completion and signing of the Constitution, in reply to a woman's inquiry as to the type of government the Founders had created, Benjamin Franklin said, "A Republic, if you can keep it."...Article IV Section 4, of the Constitution "guarantees to every state in this union a Republican form of government".... Conversely, the word Democracy is not mentioned even once in the Constitution. Madison warned us of the dangers of democracies with these words,
I have read every post in this thread, and contributed my position(only to get it edited ) and, the one thing I see here is an overwelming feeling that illegal immigrants must be dealt with as oppossed to granting them amnesty.
All of us on this board have spent a lot of time on this thread.
One bit of advice:
If you really want your voice heard, spend the same amount of time contacting members of congress as you have typing on this thread.
Email all of them with your concerns.
All they are seeing now is all these illegals protesting in the streets.
If they see emails numbering in the thousands from concerned citizens, that too will have an impact on what congress finally decides to do.
Bob.
All of us on this board have spent a lot of time on this thread.
One bit of advice:
If you really want your voice heard, spend the same amount of time contacting members of congress as you have typing on this thread.
Email all of them with your concerns.
All they are seeing now is all these illegals protesting in the streets.
If they see emails numbering in the thousands from concerned citizens, that too will have an impact on what congress finally decides to do.
Bob.
Although I do apprieciate your participation.
The edited post was offensive. Sorry.
I can not condone the mention of killing and cursing, in what should be a civil debate.
The way it was put was quite harsh.
No matter how I feel on this issue.
Yes e-mailing those in power is a great idea. Something we all should do.
And I have.
But I also feel that that the power of the written word via the web
has informed many.
The more that are aware, the better.
The edited post was offensive. Sorry.
I can not condone the mention of killing and cursing, in what should be a civil debate.
The way it was put was quite harsh.
No matter how I feel on this issue.
Yes e-mailing those in power is a great idea. Something we all should do.
And I have.
But I also feel that that the power of the written word via the web
has informed many.
The more that are aware, the better.
I have done that, and my congressman is opposed to changing our laws. However, we are still being overwhelmed here. Since hurricane Ivan the illegal population has increased by 400% in the counties of Escambia and Santa Rosa in Florida. We need to enforce our laws and quit dancing to get votes.
QUOTE(awfeckit @ Apr 11 2006, 12:44 PM)
Workers standing up for their rights isn't extortion. It's associated with a couple of concepts sometimes known as freedom and democracy.
An American demanding their country be protected at the boaders does not make them bad. Why don't they protest in their own country about civil right, and fair wages from Mexico? Because President Fox would have them shot and the surviors put in a dark pit. Let them take their own country back before invading ours. They won't because it's too easy to walk across the boader.
About the taxes even if they do become 'legal' citizens, they still don't have to pay taxes for the first 5 or 7 years here. Why do you think most of those arab convienent stores change there name ever 5 to 7 years?
QUOTE(awfeckit @ Apr 11 2006, 12:44 PM)
Workers standing up for their rights isn't extortion. It's associated with a couple of concepts sometimes known as freedom and democracy.
Ok Once again. lol
They are illegal
A person that is not an legal citizen of a country, does not have a right to
stand up for rights they do not have in the first place.
Such a contradiction.....
“There is no human right to enter another country in violation of its laws.” ~ ImmigrationWatchdog.com
http://www.immigrationwatchdog.com/?page_id=810
Invasion USA! Aztlan separatist claims immigrant riots coming soon to America!
http://www.alipac.us/article860.html
Secure our borders!
We are being taken down from the inside!
Mexico's Glass House
For example, according to an official translation published by the Organization of American States, the Mexican constitution includes the following restrictions:
Pursuant to Article 33, "Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country." This ban applies, among other things, to participation in demonstrations and the expression of opinions in public about domestic politics like those much in evidence in Los Angeles, New York and elsewhere in recent days.
Equal employment rights are denied to immigrants, even legal ones. Article 32: "Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners under equality of circumstances for all classes of concessions and for all employment, positions, or commissions of the Government in which the status of citizenship is not indispensable."
Jobs for which Mexican citizenship is considered "indispensable" include, pursuant to Article 32, bans on foreigners, immigrants, and even naturalized citizens of Mexico serving as military officers, Mexican-flagged ship and airline crew, and chiefs of seaports and airports.
Article 55 denies immigrants the right to become federal lawmakers. A Mexican congressman or senator must be "a Mexican citizen by birth." Article 91 further stipulates that immigrants may never aspire to become cabinet officers as they are required to be Mexican by birth. Article 95 says the same about Supreme Court justices.
In accordance with Article 130, immigrants - even legal ones - may not become members of the clergy, either.
Foreigners, to say nothing of illegal immigrants, are denied fundamental property rights. For example, Article 27 states, "Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization and Mexican companies have the right to acquire ownership of lands, waters, and their appurtenances, or to obtain concessions for the exploitation of mines or of waters."
Article 11 guarantees federal protection against "undesirable aliens resident in the country." What is more, private individuals are authorized to make citizen's arrests. Article 16 states, "In cases of flagrante delicto, any person may arrest the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities." In other words, Mexico grants its citizens the right to arrest illegal aliens and hand them over to police for prosecution. Imagine the Minutemen exercising such a right!
The Mexican constitution states that foreigners - not just illegal immigrants - may be expelled for any reason and without due process. According to Article 33, "the Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action."
Full Article
from an article in .. Center for Security Policy
For example, according to an official translation published by the Organization of American States, the Mexican constitution includes the following restrictions:
Pursuant to Article 33, "Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country." This ban applies, among other things, to participation in demonstrations and the expression of opinions in public about domestic politics like those much in evidence in Los Angeles, New York and elsewhere in recent days.
Equal employment rights are denied to immigrants, even legal ones. Article 32: "Mexicans shall have priority over foreigners under equality of circumstances for all classes of concessions and for all employment, positions, or commissions of the Government in which the status of citizenship is not indispensable."
Jobs for which Mexican citizenship is considered "indispensable" include, pursuant to Article 32, bans on foreigners, immigrants, and even naturalized citizens of Mexico serving as military officers, Mexican-flagged ship and airline crew, and chiefs of seaports and airports.
Article 55 denies immigrants the right to become federal lawmakers. A Mexican congressman or senator must be "a Mexican citizen by birth." Article 91 further stipulates that immigrants may never aspire to become cabinet officers as they are required to be Mexican by birth. Article 95 says the same about Supreme Court justices.
In accordance with Article 130, immigrants - even legal ones - may not become members of the clergy, either.
Foreigners, to say nothing of illegal immigrants, are denied fundamental property rights. For example, Article 27 states, "Only Mexicans by birth or naturalization and Mexican companies have the right to acquire ownership of lands, waters, and their appurtenances, or to obtain concessions for the exploitation of mines or of waters."
Article 11 guarantees federal protection against "undesirable aliens resident in the country." What is more, private individuals are authorized to make citizen's arrests. Article 16 states, "In cases of flagrante delicto, any person may arrest the offender and his accomplices, turning them over without delay to the nearest authorities." In other words, Mexico grants its citizens the right to arrest illegal aliens and hand them over to police for prosecution. Imagine the Minutemen exercising such a right!
The Mexican constitution states that foreigners - not just illegal immigrants - may be expelled for any reason and without due process. According to Article 33, "the Federal Executive shall have the exclusive power to compel any foreigner whose remaining he may deem inexpedient to abandon the national territory immediately and without the necessity of previous legal action."
Full Article
from an article in .. Center for Security Policy
A person that is not an [i]legal citizen of a country, does not have a right to
stand up for rights they do not have in the first place.
Such a contradiction.....[/i]
With all due respect they do!! They are human despite their situation and treating them otherwise is not legal by your own laws and the laws of any democratic civilised country!
I am watching closely how this debate is developing with particular emphasis on the quoted post... i am becomeing increasingly disappointed by the attitude towards these illegals.
I would wish that my opinion is respected rather than be told to get more information on the matter. Sometimes when one is on the outside looking in, they can have a more weighed opinion.
stand up for rights they do not have in the first place.
Such a contradiction.....[/i]
With all due respect they do!! They are human despite their situation and treating them otherwise is not legal by your own laws and the laws of any democratic civilised country!
I am watching closely how this debate is developing with particular emphasis on the quoted post... i am becomeing increasingly disappointed by the attitude towards these illegals.
I would wish that my opinion is respected rather than be told to get more information on the matter. Sometimes when one is on the outside looking in, they can have a more weighed opinion.
QUOTE(snyper @ Apr 12 2006, 04:55 AM)
With all due respect they do!! They are human despite their situation and treating them otherwise is not legal by your own laws and the laws of any democratic civilised country!
With all due respect. If they were not here illegal in the first place they would not have to worry about their rights being violated, would they? If they stay home their country could protect them from forgien governments. Or country they?
QUOTE(snyper @ Apr 12 2006, 04:55 AM)
I would wish that my opinion is respected rather than be told to get more information on the matter. Sometimes when one is on the outside looking in, they can have a more weighed opinion.
I have not seem anyone disrepect you, and frankly if you want to engage in such a heated debate you should have a little hicker skin.
As far as looking from the outside in. You can't feel the hits from outside the ring. No matter how bad it appears from the stands, there is nothing like being punched square in the nose. The advise is always different when your on the receiving end. Time to put up our guard (Fences/military/enforce laws) instead of taking the hit.
So let me get this straight snyper.
Mexico can have harsh immigration/enforcement laws written into its Constitution where illegals have no rights, no protection and cannot participate in the political process. And everyone should recognizes this as their sovereign right as a country to do.
But in the United States where illegals are permitted to work and protest, those who want to enforce our laws as our sovereign right are considered racists and bigots, and treating illegals otherwise is not legal by your own laws.
Now I understand - this is the old double standards routine (often used by those sympathetic to the socialist agenda). That works!!
BTW, could you tell me the applicable U.S. laws we are breaking? Constitutional law and American history are subject areas of interest that I like to keep abreast of. Seems I've missed something in all my years of study and would greatly appreciate if you could point me to the code with your knowledge of such matters.
Mexico can have harsh immigration/enforcement laws written into its Constitution where illegals have no rights, no protection and cannot participate in the political process. And everyone should recognizes this as their sovereign right as a country to do.
But in the United States where illegals are permitted to work and protest, those who want to enforce our laws as our sovereign right are considered racists and bigots, and treating illegals otherwise is not legal by your own laws.
Now I understand - this is the old double standards routine (often used by those sympathetic to the socialist agenda). That works!!
BTW, could you tell me the applicable U.S. laws we are breaking? Constitutional law and American history are subject areas of interest that I like to keep abreast of. Seems I've missed something in all my years of study and would greatly appreciate if you could point me to the code with your knowledge of such matters.
Firstly
I am certainly not a socialist Communist i think they are COUNTRY WRECKERS!!
I am merely stating that reguardless of status you can not "shoot people" at an extreme..thats not to sat they are entitled to stay either.
I am very Pro American, anyone that knows me knows that..i just dont want to see the country decend into a hate filled enviornment like there was towards african americans in the fifties..
I do not support these demonstrations but this rubbish about lock down the borders is bordering on the Communist idea. Remember border control works both ways, do you want to stop americans leaving too??
Again im not american. I live in a socialist europe...i much prefer the "american dream" i dispise leftwing socialism which in my eyes is a "diet communism"
America is not the only country in the world with immegration issues.
I am certainly not a socialist Communist i think they are COUNTRY WRECKERS!!
I am merely stating that reguardless of status you can not "shoot people" at an extreme..thats not to sat they are entitled to stay either.
I am very Pro American, anyone that knows me knows that..i just dont want to see the country decend into a hate filled enviornment like there was towards african americans in the fifties..
I do not support these demonstrations but this rubbish about lock down the borders is bordering on the Communist idea. Remember border control works both ways, do you want to stop americans leaving too??
Again im not american. I live in a socialist europe...i much prefer the "american dream" i dispise leftwing socialism which in my eyes is a "diet communism"
America is not the only country in the world with immegration issues.
BTW, could you tell me the applicable U.S. laws we are breaking? Constitutional law and American history are subject areas of interest that I like to keep abreast of. Seems I've missed something in all my years of study and would greatly appreciate if you could point me to the code with your knowledge of such matters.
Do american not have any laws protecting human rights???
Do american not have any laws protecting human rights???
A quote of mine:
Ok Once again. lol
They are illegal
A person that is not an legal citizen of a country, does not have a right to
stand up for rights they do not have in the first place.
Such a contradiction.....
“There is no human right to enter another country in violation of its laws.” ~ ImmigrationWatchdog.com
You are confusing human rights with the rights of a legal citizen.
Two entirely separate terms all together.
And your opinion is respected. But that doesn't mean it will always be agreed with.
This is after all a debate.
Ok Once again. lol
They are illegal
A person that is not an legal citizen of a country, does not have a right to
stand up for rights they do not have in the first place.
Such a contradiction.....
“There is no human right to enter another country in violation of its laws.” ~ ImmigrationWatchdog.com
QUOTE(snyper @ Apr 12 2006, 04:55 AM)
With all due respect they do!! They are human despite their situation and treating them otherwise is not legal by your own laws and the laws of any democratic civilised country!
I am watching closely how this debate is developing with particular emphasis on the quoted post... i am becomeing increasingly disappointed by the attitude towards these illegals.
I would wish that my opinion is respected rather than be told to get more information on the matter. Sometimes when one is on the outside looking in, they can have a more weighed opinion.
I am watching closely how this debate is developing with particular emphasis on the quoted post... i am becomeing increasingly disappointed by the attitude towards these illegals.
I would wish that my opinion is respected rather than be told to get more information on the matter. Sometimes when one is on the outside looking in, they can have a more weighed opinion.
QUOTE(snyper @ Apr 12 2006, 09:31 AM)
Do american not have any laws protecting human rights???
You are confusing human rights with the rights of a legal citizen.
Two entirely separate terms all together.
And your opinion is respected. But that doesn't mean it will always be agreed with.
This is after all a debate.
Im going to leave this debate to you...i dont want to get involved anymore...i temperish
We in europe have our own probs to deal with, remember riots in Paris!!
But just to clear one issue up
I LOVE AMERICA!! I spend most of my time in the pub debates defending the Great States
OK!!
God Bless America
We in europe have our own probs to deal with, remember riots in Paris!!
But just to clear one issue up
I LOVE AMERICA!! I spend most of my time in the pub debates defending the Great States
OK!!
God Bless America
May God Bless You and Yours as well!
And thank you for being on our side in defending our honor in your
pub debates.
And thank you for being on our side in defending our honor in your
pub debates.
Scarlett is right on target about the difference between human rights and rights of a legal citizen. One of the reasons we are facing this crisis is because we value human rights.
Anyway snyper thank you for your support of the U.S. and please feel free to continue with this debate at any time. Its open to all and your opinion is important regardless of whether all agree with it.
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i just dont want to see the country decend into a hate filled enviornment like there was towards african americans in the fifties.
Those who want strict enforcement are not advocating this position out of hate. The only hate I have seen/heard is some of the statements and signs made by protestors.Anyway snyper thank you for your support of the U.S. and please feel free to continue with this debate at any time. Its open to all and your opinion is important regardless of whether all agree with it.
yes, im back already!
I agree with you quietman..to somone like you who can see the difference between what you stated is fine
i never overstay my visa in the US because i would dread to be banned for 10 yrs , but i live in a great country too, so i dont need to..
Problem is with the "numb skulls" with pitch-forks that want to go on a race hate killing spree....
I agree with you quietman..to somone like you who can see the difference between what you stated is fine
i never overstay my visa in the US because i would dread to be banned for 10 yrs , but i live in a great country too, so i dont need to..
Problem is with the "numb skulls" with pitch-forks that want to go on a race hate killing spree....
The problem is deeper than just whether or not we let illegals stay.
We have been to kind for to long. They have been given an inch, and
they now want to take a mile.
We are being taken advantage of now.
I feel as if our Gov has been very lax in dealing with this issue.
So we now have, what could very well be an explosive situation waiting in the wings.
I have been researching this in depth, and came across these images.
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/3831/2stopthenazis8rm.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1871/bordercrossedus0ee.jpg
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1556/fistup9ny.jpg
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5076/illegalsowhat6zl.jpg <---translates to (I think) "Illegal so what"
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6341/racistpigs5nu.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/3314/westole8qq.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/235/pil...galalien5tr.jpg
Rally On Wilshire - July 4, 2000
Only one TV station in Los Ageles showed the burning of the American Flag in front of The Veteran Cemetery, which was Spanish Language UNIVISION!
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/2350/burn...0704450w1el.gif
This flyer was found in the parking lot of the Federal Building after the rally.
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/5665/arel...er0007049ll.gif
A mural in L.A.
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1701/mexicanangelgun9fw.jpg
Notice the school house, interesting ....
This is not just about decent hardworking people wishing for a better life.....
This is an army! These so called protesters.
Video available at link above.
Transcript here: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/10/ldt.01.html
We have been to kind for to long. They have been given an inch, and
they now want to take a mile.
We are being taken advantage of now.
I feel as if our Gov has been very lax in dealing with this issue.
So we now have, what could very well be an explosive situation waiting in the wings.
I have been researching this in depth, and came across these images.
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/3831/2stopthenazis8rm.jpg
http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/1871/bordercrossedus0ee.jpg
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1556/fistup9ny.jpg
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/5076/illegalsowhat6zl.jpg <---translates to (I think) "Illegal so what"
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/6341/racistpigs5nu.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/3314/westole8qq.jpg
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/235/pil...galalien5tr.jpg
Rally On Wilshire - July 4, 2000
Only one TV station in Los Ageles showed the burning of the American Flag in front of The Veteran Cemetery, which was Spanish Language UNIVISION!
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/2350/burn...0704450w1el.gif
This flyer was found in the parking lot of the Federal Building after the rally.
http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/5665/arel...er0007049ll.gif
A mural in L.A.
http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1701/mexicanangelgun9fw.jpg
Notice the school house, interesting ....
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Is There A War Going On In Texas?
Posted on Thursday, February 16 @ 05:18:27 CST
If you don't have access to Texas newspapers or the internet, you may not have heard the sensational news about the enormous cache of weapons just seized in Laredo, Texas. U.S. authorities grabbed two completed Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs), materials for making 33 more, military-style grenades, 26 grenade triggers, large quantities of AK-47 and AR-15 assault rifles, 1,280 rounds of ammunition, silencers, machine gun assembly kits, 300 primers, bullet-proof vests, police scanners, sniper scopes, narcotics, and cash.
Posted on Thursday, February 16 @ 05:18:27 CST
If you don't have access to Texas newspapers or the internet, you may not have heard the sensational news about the enormous cache of weapons just seized in Laredo, Texas. U.S. authorities grabbed two completed Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs), materials for making 33 more, military-style grenades, 26 grenade triggers, large quantities of AK-47 and AR-15 assault rifles, 1,280 rounds of ammunition, silencers, machine gun assembly kits, 300 primers, bullet-proof vests, police scanners, sniper scopes, narcotics, and cash.
QUOTE
Invading Army: Aztlan Arising at “La Gran Marcha”
Is this Gutierrez, founder of the La Raza Unida political party, the same who declared: “We have an aging white America…They are dying…..We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him”. Is now when the “worst” is coming to the “worst” or sometime later?
Is this Gutierrez, founder of the La Raza Unida political party, the same who declared: “We have an aging white America…They are dying…..We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him”. Is now when the “worst” is coming to the “worst” or sometime later?
This is not just about decent hardworking people wishing for a better life.....
This is an army! These so called protesters.
QUOTE
http://www.americanpatrol.com/06-FEATURES/...11_Feature.html
This Is an Army
Discipline of Invaders Reason for Alarm
Lou Dobbs Tonight - CNN - April 10
Dobbs: Hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens and their supporters today staged massive rallies across the country in support of new rights for illegal aliens. Rallies were held in more than 100 cities across the nation, including a massive protest in Atlanta, Georgia.
...Across the country, illegal alien protesters dressing in white. They mostly carried American flags, but only after being warned against carrying the Mexican flag and the flags of other nations.
They did EXACTLY as they were told - just like an army. If they were told to wear red and carry Mexican flags, they would have done so.
This Is an Army
Discipline of Invaders Reason for Alarm
Lou Dobbs Tonight - CNN - April 10
Dobbs: Hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens and their supporters today staged massive rallies across the country in support of new rights for illegal aliens. Rallies were held in more than 100 cities across the nation, including a massive protest in Atlanta, Georgia.
...Across the country, illegal alien protesters dressing in white. They mostly carried American flags, but only after being warned against carrying the Mexican flag and the flags of other nations.
They did EXACTLY as they were told - just like an army. If they were told to wear red and carry Mexican flags, they would have done so.
Video available at link above.
Transcript here: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/10/ldt.01.html
Nice to see BC has a sence of humour!!!(with the advert not the post)
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