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Scarlett
Nancy Pelosi: Illegal Alien Employer?
rms4evr
QUOTE(Scarlett @ Nov 12 2006, 10:28 AM) *

Nancy Pelosi scares the $%^$% out of me...and this is another drop in the bucket. dry.gif

While I am not affiliated with either party, the Republicans (in my opinion) are the lesser of two evils...and now it seems that this country is on the road to hell. We'll be up to our armpits in socialist policies and illegal immigrants.

At least the Dems don't have an overwhelming majority in the Senate...they can get cut down if they go too far.
boopme
Here's a very interesting video on the wonderful concept of illegal immigration. Apprx 12 min.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uHs2Jfbh90o

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Z2RKBxR3BTI&...ted&search=
Scarlett
Thanks Boopme those are videos everyone should view. They are quite telling of what the levels will be in the not so distant future, if immigration levels are not contained. For lack of a better term.
ussr1943
QUOTE(rms4evr @ Nov 12 2006, 07:43 PM) *
QUOTE(Scarlett @ Nov 12 2006, 10:28 AM) *

Nancy Pelosi scares the $%^$% out of me...and this is another drop in the bucket. dry.gif

While I am not affiliated with either party, the Republicans (in my opinion) are the lesser of two evils...and now it seems that this country is on the road to hell. We'll be up to our armpits in socialist policies and illegal immigrants.

At least the Dems don't have an overwhelming majority in the Senate...they can get cut down if they go too far.

yeah well that chance is gone now.
boopme
You're welcome and everybody should watch them. I also meant to say they were done 10 years ago so we have already reach the 300 million mark. So they become even more insightful..
boopme
Well this story seems to sum it all up. Illegal, overstay, false documents,probable terrorist. The fact that he will probably only have to deal with overstaying his visa,is what maddens me the most. He got a Rhode Island driver's liscense with false docs..so what !!? He obviously ,as the 9-11 pilots, wanted to crash a HazMat truck into something. Thank God he was such an idiot. But we've got a real loose reign and no penalty for it.

Authorities Probe Foreign Student Seeking Commercial Truck-Driving HAZMAT License
joygreen
QUOTE(Scarlett @ Mar 30 2006, 11:10 PM) *
QUOTE(quietman7 @ Mar 30 2006, 01:40 PM) *

Attempting to assume occupation???

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A socialist stance???

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A threat of war???

Preposterous? Am I going over board? Exaggerating?
Think about it.......

We are being taken down from the inside!



This is just getting worse!!

How many of you heard the MSM report about the Mexican Army's incursion into Arizona in January 2007: they were armed with AK-47's and faced off with the Border Patrol. In a later incident, two Border Patrol agents are jailed (10-11 years each) for shooting (not killing) a drug smuggler crossing the Mexican Border. Our government gave the Mexican drug smuggler immunity to testify against the BP Agents. Now, of course, there are fewer arrests on the Mexican border because our government does not support our military!

Years ago when Haitians were banned from donating blood because so many of them had AIDS (this was before we even started screening the blood supply, and there was no test for AIDS readily available, the lovely Haitians staged a demonstration in downtown Manhattan, stopping 5:00 traffic! The US didn't start thinking about trying to protect our blood supply until years after that. I got booted out of a job by a group of Haitian women who complained to management that I was racist. Chase threatened to sue me under the Civil Rights law unless I left quietly. It is common knowledge around here that if you're white, don't apply there. I didn't know that BFOQ did not exist any more. I felt my secretary should be able to speak and write English! She was a dark-skinned islander whom I got along with very well. But it was the Haitians who had been there and knew how to work the system to their advantage. Now in America it is illegal to ask employees to speak English in the workplace! Love those H1-B Visas...

Did anyone notice the Muslim man sworn into Congress by Nancy Pelosi? She put her hand on the Koran (and quickly removed it after being told it was HE who was swearing in - don't you just love her level of experience?) - anyway, he swore allegiance to the US with his hand on the Koran (blasphemy to swear allegiance to anything but Allah); and his family was there: interesting that it was only men: no wife, no daughters. The boys were teens and younger: I expect there was a wife and daughters locked up at home. These people are NOT here to become Americans (the Melting Pot is long gone), starting with translating everything, including voting ballots and applications for welfare into Spanish. I really wish the uninformed would just "DontVote.com".

Kruschev predicted we would be destroyed from within. I have a wonderful website to recommend: we fax Congress free. It is strictly a fight against illegal immigration. Please visit http://www.NumbersUSA.com and join. We have had some real success in flooding Congress with mail: this was one of the first kicks in the butt it took to split the Republican Party to begin to side with America. Unfortunately, that party is still split, every Hispanic member I have ever seen speak calls Illegals "Undocumented". Our own lawmakers refuse to recognize lawbreakers, especially in regard to the Constitution's mandate to protect America from invasion.

The most logical and humane solutions I see are 1. Declare English as America's language and 2. Push for the Attrition Through Enforcement: Vigorous enforcement of our current immigration laws will substantially decrease the illegal-immigrant population over time. Experience has proven that illegal immigrants who could no longer easily obtain jobs would simply return to their home countries. The Center for Immigration Studies has concluded that a policy of vigorous enforcement would cut the illegal immigrant population in half in just five years. 3. End chain migration, the single most important thing that a Member of Congress can do right now to rein in out-of-control immigration. It would cut the number of legal immigrants admitted drastically and immediately. http://www.congress.org gives you a way to contact your own representatives.

This is a great article supporting Islam to be declared a political organization: http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=21872 "Defeating Jihad" By Jamie Glazov in FrontPageMagazine.com | March 31, 2006.

Can you believe I recently wrote to mel martinez ® to ask this U.S. Senator to cosponsor S. 43 to help prevent Social Security for illegal aliens?

How can we save America? These two websites are at least a way to bother our leaders!
http://www.NumbersUSA.com - for information and action
http://www.Congress.org - for action
joygreen
Tom Tancredo write much better than I. Enjoy a few hoots from his style:

Dear Friend of This Campaign,
...
Sincerely,
Tom Tancredo

PS:
Below is a condensed version of my remarks Friday afternoon at the convention.

I’m simply troubled, and maybe you are too, by this recent influx of hyphenated conservatives. Neo-conservatives over here. Paleo-conservatives over there. Compassionate conservatives out in the hallway, and the latest nonsense—commonsense conservatives.

Now I am glad to see that at least today—March 2, 2007—everybody running for the top office is some kind of conservative.

But for those of us who have been unhyphenated conservatives since before Al Gore invented the Internet, I find the spectacle mildly amusing.

What I want to know is, since when is conservatism, by itself, not enough? When, exactly, has it helped our party, either in policy or politics, to qualify our commitment to limited government, the rule of law, a strong national defense, and traditional values? As best as I can tell, every effort to hyphenate conservatism has led to both policy and electoral catastrophe.

“Kinder, gentler” conservatism gave us the largest tax increase in our history and President Bill Clinton. “Compassionate” conservatism has given us No Child Left Behind, Medicare prescription drugs, open-borders, and Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
...
The only adjective I'll agree to have applied to me is an unapologetic conservative. I am not sorry we won the cold war; I am not sorry that we reduced tax rates and created economic opportunities for millions; I am not sorry that we reformed welfare and put millions of people to work.
. . .
and I will never apologize for America, the last best hope for Western civilization. Let’s face it—no one flees the United States for a better life in, say, Pakistan.

Conservatism doesn’t need an adjective! It needs a leader!

--a leader that opposes abortions--not because Iowa caucus goers oppose abortion—but because they know even animals don’t deliberately kill their unborn. [color=#000099](joy is squirming on this one)

--a leader that believes in a strong national defense because our enemies are psychopaths, and our allies are the French!

--a leader that believes in enforcing our immigration laws because the first part of “illegal immigrant” is ILLEGAL! . . .and who understands there is nothing compassionate about giving amnesty to millions of people who have broken into our country.

If some candidate tells you they are for immigration reform—test them. Ask if they’ll agree that massive immigration combined with the cult of multi-culturalism is creating in America a linguistic and cultural Tower of Babel.

...

or I guess you can just ask them if they agree that Miami is becoming a third world country.

I guarantee you not a single other presidential candidate will acknowledge what millions of Americans know to be true, what they see happening in their communities every single day

...

And in a world at war with the very survival of Western civilization at risk, with the Supreme Court potentially one retirement away from reversing Roe and Casey, with the Baby Boom’s budget-busting retirement looming, and with Bill and Hillary Clinton already measuring the drapes in the White House, conservatives cannot afford to sit this one out.

# # #

http://www.teamtancredo.com/news.php
starshine2006
[font=Comic Sans Ms][size=3]This is one topic that really burns my buns. My mother came here from the Netherlands Antillies, my grandfather being Norweigan and my grandmother from Curacao. She came here and learned our language. She did not even teach me her native language because she said we are in the United States of America and the language is ENGLISH. We need to quit giving "automatic" citizenship to babies born of illegals. We need to insist they learn the english language. I protest to every business that I call that has "if you want english press one". It should be if you don't speak english, hang up until you learn the language of this country. I would be interested in how much it costs us in dollars for all these illegals to be here and get free medical, food stamps, free housing and other "benefits". I agree with the person who posted that they must be legal immigrants before they get any public assistance. When I see an unusual number of "foreigners" working in any area, I call the INS and let them know. We recently had a raid in a neighboring town where they were building a large subdivision. They collected about 50 illegals. Yes, it costs money to round them up, but we need to do something. I recently received an email stating that when they are caught, they be given guns and sent to Iraq - if they protest, they are sent to Iraq (minus the guns). EXCELLENT IDEA. I believe the email credited George Carlin with that thought huh.gif huh.gif huh.gif
Scarlett
Thank you Joygreen and starshine2006 for breathing new life into this thread.
All points and thoughts are valid and important. IMHO

Check this out. It is absolutely astounding!
LAUSD (Los Angeles Unified School District) 5-YEAR DEMOGRAPHICS 2002-2007
BlackSpyder
You dont see to many Illegal Immagrents around here. (Poor old boys must have seen "Deliverance" one to many times and are scared to come around. lol)
Actually its because the area isnt very receptive to the idea. also theres not many good jobs around here
joygreen
Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation has done an in-depth study on the costs of high-school-dropout households, which would dramatically increase under the new Bush/Republican Senator immigration proposal. The costs to Americans would be staggering.

Rector found that the share of federal, state and local costs for each of these high-school-dropout households is around $43,000 a year.

But he subtracted out their share of defense and interest on debt, concluding that the incremental Federal, state, and local expenditures for each household is around $32,000 a year in government support.

The Heritage Foundation scholar then painstakingly dug through government data to find every kind of tax that these households pay. He even included money spent on lottery tickets (an average $686 per year) and excise taxes, as well as FICA and property taxes and many others.

He said he was a bit surprised to find that these high-school-dropout households pay more taxes than he expected - nearly $10,000 a year.

Nonetheless, the bottom line is that these households require $22,000 each year
in net taxpayer subsidies.

Rector's study indicates that these total households headed by foreign-born high school drop-outs are costing taxpayers a net of around:

$100 BILLION a year

Nevertheless, the new White House/Republican Senator immigration plan would ensure that all the illegal aliens getting that subsidy would remain here to keep collecting ...

... and that we would add large numbers of new households every year so that the total subsidy could grow much larger.

In short, this proposal is an affront to every American taxpayer and should be stopped in its tracks.


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I got this letter from NumbersUSA.com and sent it to my "government officials" through the fax system. Please, please join NumbersUSA, and carefully select our next President. See teamtancredo.com. I have not seen a better candidate.

Regards,
Joy
quietman7
If It Looks Like Amnesty, And Smells Like Amnesty, It's Amnesty! and its coming to a town near you.
joygreen
April 2, 2007

Dear Friends,

I wanted you to be the first to know. I will be announcing my intentions to run for president of the United States on a national radio announcement blitz beginning this morning on the Jan Mickelson talk radio show in Des Moines, Iowa. [You may be able to hear the announcement at 9am, Central time, by clicking here]

The outpouring of support I have received over the past three months has been tremendous and, frankly, it has far exceeded what I ever anticipated. I am truly humbled and want to thank you for the confidence and trust you have placed in me.

Wherever I go, Americans like you--of all backgrounds and political beliefs--thank me for standing up for them against the Establishment politicians who have become pawns of corporate America. They believe Washington is selling out our nation, and they are right.

As a Congressman, and for the previous 20 years, I have done everything in my power to stop the sellout. I can not abandon our cause now, and we can not lose this battle. The consequences are too grave. And so it is with the strength that comes from knowing you are at my side that I will announce my intentions to run for the presidency of this great country in just a few hours.

Thank you for the honor of representing you in this effort.

Sincerely,
Tom Tancredo
quietman7
Here we go again.

Illegal Immigration Rallies Planned Throughout U.S.

Protesters demanding 'rights' for illegal aliens.
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The list of demands also included a "no" to "militarization of the border" "immigrant detention and deportation." Also "no" to guest worker programs and employer sanctions.

What this group, and others carrying the same message, are demanding is a "path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants," speedy family reunification, access to all "civil rights" and "labor rights" as well as education and privileges for the "LGBT immigrant."
boopme
I just don't get the part about "their rights "..What rights they are NOT citizens.. they are NOT even legal.. Can anyone clear this up for me..
quietman7
The Rights of Immigrants
National Mobilization to Support Immigrant Workers Rights
Defending Immigrant Rights: an Activist Resource Kit

Just do a Google Search and you will find pages listing many organizations advocating rights for illegal immigrants.
blueandgold04
IMO, they have rights as human beings, but not as Citizens of America. Unfortunately, it is politically incorrect to assert that people who break the law must bear the consequences, as "they are just trying to do what they can for their families." I understand that point, but it is an appeal to emotion, rather than to justice. If I were to steal millions of dollars electronically from Exxon because I wanted to afford my family with a better life, I would be breaking the law and would be punished.

For those who wish to see a well thought out argument against immigration, that still addresses the issue that many of these nations and their people need help, I would suggest watching this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7WJeqxuOfQ

This is a difficult issue, but allowing people to come and raid our lands is not the answer; and I get more than a little pissed when I am told that I lack compassion because of my views. Impoverished or not, nobody has the right to take what is mine.

Regards,
bg04
JohnWho
QUOTE(quietman7 @ May 1 2007, 11:56 AM) *
... listing many organizations advocating rights for illegal immigrants.


They are advocating rights for illegal immigrants because currently they do not have these rights.

Why do we think that someone breaking the law should be rewarded?

huh.gif
yano
Bush wants us to cut the amount of gas we use. The best way to stop using so much gas is to deport 11 million illegal immigrants! There would be 11 million less people using our gas. The price of gas would come down. Bring our troops home from Iraq to guard the border. When they catch an illegal immigrant crossing the border, hand him a canteen, rifle and some ammo and ship him to Iraq. Tell him if he wants to come to America then he must serve a tour in the military. Give him a soldier's pay while he's there and tax him on it. After his tour, he will be allowed to become a citizen since he defended this country. He will also be registered to be taxed and be a legal patriot. This option will probably deter illegal immigration and provide a solution for the troops in Iraq and the aliens trying to make a better life for themselves. If they refuse to serve, ship them to Iraq anyway, without the canteen, rifle or ammo. Problem solved.

- received it in a chain e-mail. Supposedly from George Carlin (still have yet to confirm or deny).
JohnWho
Well,

Snopes.com doesn't think George Carlin wrote that.
joygreen
It is possible that the States are going to have to take action on this subject, one by one. It is fairly easy to attend your state's representative meetings: they are held in the District to which you belong, so close to home.

State Representatives seem to get along better than the National representatives. I wonder if this is the way to go, since the Federal Government is ignoring the 70% of Americans who want to stop illegal immigration. I guess the other 30% are business owners and wealthy households wanting cheap labor.

Please visit NumbersUSA.com to see the overall impact of these people, and have the opportunity to fax your representatives for free. Congress.org will give you contact numbers for all your representatives.

I am so proud of the Minutemen, and disgusted that Border Patrol agents are sitting in jail for doing their jobs. I wonder how long it will take Americans to realize we are already being attacked.

Am I paranoid to think that the poisoning of fresh vegetables in california might be a warning from migrant laborers? And the poisoning of dog food payback for the use of dogs in Abu Graib? It sure would be nice if investigative journalism made a comeback? One of our stations down here is so lazy they are going to film speeding cars.

If we stop translations into Spanish, we could save some taxpayer money and make it hard for illegals to get around. And we Americans might have access to more jobs if the second language were no longer a requirement for employment.
Scarlett
QUOTE(quietman7 @ May 1 2007, 08:47 AM) *
The list of demands also included a "no" to "militarization of the border" "immigrant detention and deportation." Also "no" to guest worker programs and employer sanctions.


Just who do they think they are? Why do we allow these farces to take place? No increased citizenship fees? No guest worker proposals? No arrests or deportations? No increased border policing? Tell ya all what, lets just erase the border completely and serve up America on a silver platter.

QUOTE(quietman7 @ May 1 2007, 10:56 AM) *
Just do a Google Search and you will find pages listing many organizations advocating rights for illegal immigrants.


And what types of organizations are they? All far left with socialist ties for the most part if not all. A.N.S.W.E.R is the big fish.


Bush is getting on my last nerve!

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Bush said the immigration system is deeply broken: Employers are not held accountable enough; borders are not secure enough; businesses need workers willing to do low-paying jobs; and the 12 million people estimated to be in the U.S. illegally cannot all be deported and so must be dealt with “without amnesty and without animosity.”

http://www.star-telegram.com/238/story/84992.html


Bla, bla, bla... Same old stuff, different day.

More illegal marches to take place. Congesting OUR streets, sucking up law enforcement and city employee’s manpower. Screeching for demands, when they have no right. Only in America folks. Well France is worse off but, is that what we want for OUR beloved Country? The quagmire France has found itself in, stems from a loose and open immigration policy.

Immigration cases swamp Southwest federal judges

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Federal judges in those five districts - Southern and Western Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and Southern California - handled one-third of all the felonies prosecuted in the nation’s 94 federal judicial districts in 2005, according to federal court statistics.

Judges say they are stretched to the limit with cases involving drug trafficking or illegal immigrants who have also committed serious crimes. Judges say they need help.


Hellooooo! blink.gif
Empty your pockets folks, more money needed, to prosecute all of those hard working illegal immigrants.
MaraM
I must admit I'm completely baffled. Our countries wouldn't exist without immigration - but legal immigration is vastly different than the alternative. And I can't help but wonder what on earth people in power are thinking when they seem to not just approve of it, but financially reward it. Very confusing.

And how very perplexing to have some of these illegal immigrants (somehow the word immigrant doesn't seem to pertain to the situation?) throwing hissy fits and booing the very Country that not only permits them to stay but helps them in every way possible to break the Country's own laws.

Or perhaps I've over simplified things - gentle sigh.
blueandgold04
I wonder what would happen if I went into Vatican City (illegally, by being very sneaky) and started demanding equal rights as an atheist. I would demand asylum, free health care, I would refuse to learn Italian or Latin, and then claim it's an issue about race. tongue.gif

I wonder where that might get me....?
joygreen
BG04, that would show 'em. American Catholic bishops are insisting we allow these illegal aliens to stay. But the Vatican has guards and you would probably be kicked out. lmfao.gif
blueandgold04
Yes, interestingly the city surrounded by walls condemned the plan to build a wall along our Southern Border. blink.gif

Granted, a wall may not be the best answer; however, it is a bit funny that those people would come out against it. What a load of hypocrisy!

I will say though, and this may seem callous; a wall (or fence) presents a clear line of demarcation, and provides good firing positions. For those of you who see this as barbaric, please realize that this is a war, we are being invaded, and I would urge you to read Sun Tzu's The Art of War.

Regards,
bg04
Phetro
QUOTE(Scarlett @ May 1 2007, 11:41 PM) *
QUOTE(quietman7 @ May 1 2007, 08:47 AM) *

The list of demands also included a "no" to "militarization of the border" "immigrant detention and deportation." Also "no" to guest worker programs and employer sanctions.


Just who do they think they are? Why do we allow these farces to take place? No increased citizenship fees? No guest worker proposals? No arrests or deportations? No increased border policing? Tell ya all what, lets just erase the border completely and serve up America on a silver platter.

QUOTE(quietman7 @ May 1 2007, 10:56 AM) *
Just do a Google Search and you will find pages listing many organizations advocating rights for illegal immigrants.


And what types of organizations are they? All far left with socialist ties for the most part if not all. A.N.S.W.E.R is the big fish.


Bush is getting on my last nerve!

QUOTE
Bush said the immigration system is deeply broken: Employers are not held accountable enough; borders are not secure enough; businesses need workers willing to do low-paying jobs; and the 12 million people estimated to be in the U.S. illegally cannot all be deported and so must be dealt with “without amnesty and without animosity.”

http://www.star-telegram.com/238/story/84992.html


Bla, bla, bla... Same old stuff, different day.

More illegal marches to take place. Congesting OUR streets, sucking up law enforcement and city employee’s manpower. Screeching for demands, when they have no right. Only in America folks. Well France is worse off but, is that what we want for OUR beloved Country? The quagmire France has found itself in, stems from a loose and open immigration policy.

Immigration cases swamp Southwest federal judges

QUOTE
Federal judges in those five districts - Southern and Western Texas, New Mexico, Arizona and Southern California - handled one-third of all the felonies prosecuted in the nation’s 94 federal judicial districts in 2005, according to federal court statistics.

Judges say they are stretched to the limit with cases involving drug trafficking or illegal immigrants who have also committed serious crimes. Judges say they need help.


Hellooooo! blink.gif
Empty your pockets folks, more money needed, to prosecute all of those hard working illegal immigrants.



They will do as much as they can get away with. Not just the illegal aliens, but the politicians too. Both are after increased wealth by nefarious means, and will continue to do what they're doing unless someone else does something about it.

My solution: deport every single illegal alien in the country. Anyone who resists...well, that's what the Army is for--to repel invaders (not to invade the Middle East on pretenses). Protests? Heh, no more protests. Break them up the good old-fashioned way. Only citizens have the right to protest.

The solution for politicians: bring the powers of the federal government back to where they were meant to be--extremely limited--the federal government is meant to serve in a role of coordinator of States' efforts, not of overlord and enforcer.

But no real solutions will ever take place until people--I mean everyday, average people--make them take place.

One question: why do you call them "illegal immigrants?" An immigrant, by definition, is a lot different than an alien, or invader, which is what they are. "Immigrant" is just a misdirection offered by the MSM to convince people to associate the aliens with real immigrants, and thus feel sympathy for them. With your stance on the issue, I'm surprised you'd adopt their choice of words.
joygreen
Here are some facts from NumbersUSA, that counter what the lawbreaking lawmakers are saying, but first, here is the telephone number to the CONGRESS SWITCHBOARD: 202-224-3121. You can call and ask for your representative (find out by going to http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/ and enter your zip code to find your district's rep. You have two Senators and one Representative. A one-minute phone call is long enough if you just want to quickly identify yourself (name and city) and say one thing that you most feel about illegal aliens and America's failure to protect our sovereignty.

"For every illegal alien worker yelling for an amnesty, there are three lower skilled Americans who do NOT have a job.

There are about 7 million illegal foreign workers with jobs.

We have 23 million Americans with no more than a high school education (aged 18-64) who do NOT have a job. If we pushed the illegal aliens to go home, there are easily enough Americans who could replace them after wages and working conditions improved for the vacated jobs.

Although White Americans are the most numerous of the victims of illegal immigration, the harm is disproportionately bad for Black American men, 40% of whom do NOT have a job.

Why would any [legislator] vote to keep illegal aliens in this country to take American jobs instead of opening those jobs in construction, tourism, service and hospitality to jobless Americans?

...

Re: The May 1 March: the marchers claim that deportations split illegal alien parents from their children. What kind of parents would leave their children behind in the U.S.? Most of these illegals are being sent back to Mexico, which just happens to be the richest country of the Third World. Yes, a lot of people are poor there. But they aren't starving. Millions of parents are raising their children in Mexico. Are the pro-amnesty marchers saying that Mexico is a country unfit for habitation?

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Phetro, you are more correct than you may realize. I have read quite a few blogs that say our "government" wants to erase both borders and create a "North American State". Why would we want to do that? Why would the legislators (in the US) want to do that? Seems like that would put them out of their cushy jobs with lifelong salaries and pensions. The Constitution provides for America's sovereignty, and invasion is a reason for war. Here we are, giving Iraq protected borders, but America has to do without. It's going to be two long years with this president in office: and I couldn't imagine having Cheney or Pelosi at the helm. Why do the parties offer us such unbelievably poor choices? So far, for the 2008 prez primary, there is only one candidate, Tom Tancredo who has been in office for 20 years trying to protect our borders. But we haven't heard much from him because the big money (corporations wanting cheap labor) isn't there for him.

I just received an e-mail from http://www.teamtancredo.com/. Maybe you will find this interesting:

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RE: Tancredo driving the debate…

May 3, 2007

Dear (joygreen),

If you are watching the news today you have probably seen the mass protests by illegal aliens demanding a path to citizenship. Imagine the gall -- they sneak in here, wave their flag and demand benefits! -- Give us healthcare, give us welfare, school our children -- and now -- make us citizens! It says a lot about our elites that we have all these people parading their illegal status in the street and instead of arresting them they are putting them on television.

The good news is that with your help we are going to put an end to all this. We have already started. Click here to help!

This week Senator Brownback withdrew his support from an amnesty bill he has been pushing – too little too late. And last week, the Times carried a front page exposé in its politics section detailing Mayor Giuliani's flip-flop on illegal immigration. Giuliani, the Times explains, has been trying to steer clear of the issue on the campaign trail, but the voters and Tom Tancredo just won't let him. They keep bringing it up:

At the annual Lincoln Day dinner here last Saturday, Representative Tom Tancredo, [Notice they finally stopped calling me "long shot"] Republican of Colorado, received some of the loudest applause from the 1,000 party loyalists in attendance as he railed against illegal immigrants. “We are destroying the concept of citizenship itself,” Mr. Tancredo said. “America, and indeed Western civilization, are in a crisis.”

I knew Giuliani supported amnesty but even I was shocked at the extent of it. The Times reports that as Mayor, Giuliani, "advocate[ed] for $12 million to start a city agency that would assist those seeking citizenship,” and vigorously defended the city’s sanctuary policy.

Giuliani, Romney, and Brownback are flipping left right and center and the media is finally getting the message. It is all because of your help. And we are not going to quit.

When it comes to immigration Giuliani, McCain, Romney and Brownback are all peas of the same pod. They love to talk about their experience in public service -- they may have the competence to run the country but they certainly don't have the courage to defend it.

It's just you and me, friends. It is our country, together we are going to take it back.

We are very excited, because in a few hours Tom is taking this message to the Republican debate at the Reagan Library. You can watch the debate Thursday night, May 3rd at 8PM Eastern time on MSNBC.

So thanks again for your support, and stay tuned, the headlines are rolling in, the march is on.

Thanks for all you do. God bless you.

Bay Buchanan

P.S. The Congressman is driving the debate; the media is getting the message. My job is to keep that momentum going. I must ask for your help.

Can you please make a contribution today? Our staff is lean and our hours are long but we still need your support. We only have three months until the Iowa straw poll so anything you can do today would be much appreciated.

Please contribute today

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JohnWho
QUOTE(quietman7 @ May 17 2007, 09:31 AM) *


Interesting article, quietman7.

I notice it is from the "Redstate" website. Not surprisingly, they are spinning the situation to look like the Democrats and Liberals are trying to make this a reasonable direction for us to take.

The Senate Majority Leader, Harry Reid, a Democrat is spearheading the "Immigration Reform Effort".

From that article:

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He said the Democrats would propose legislation that will..."lay out a path to earned legalization for undocumented immigrants already living here."


Even though they'll be hammering out some of the details, it appears that this is a bi-partisan effort to document the undocumented. Of course, our left-leaning media will spin it to make Bush appear as unfavorable as possible as it unfolds.

I wonder how they'll handle an undocumented immigrant who has been using someone else's Social Security identity to get work, or is using some other falsified identy information?
quietman7
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I wonder how they'll handle an undocumented immigrant who has been using someone else's Social Security identity to get work, or is using some other falsified identy information?
Slam them on the wrist of course. If being illegal is not a crime the government is willing to enforce, then why bother enforcing related laws.
JohnWho
QUOTE(quietman7 @ May 17 2007, 10:17 AM) *
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I wonder how they'll handle an undocumented immigrant who has been using someone else's Social Security identity to get work, or is using some other falsified identy information?
Slam them on the wrist of course. If being illegal is not a crime the government is willing to enforce, then why bother enforcing related laws.


"Slam them on the wrist"!

Good thing I'm not in charge -

I'd slam them in the slammer, and all the money they paid into the various programs, like Social Security would be forfeited by them and they would get no credit for what they did illegally.

Oh, and then they'd get a free trip back to their country of origin.
joygreen
Good thing I"M not in charge, I'd be shooting them! medieval.gif

I am too tired to type. Here is a message from NumbersUSA. Both parties are vote-whoring. How stupid of the Republicans since the minorities usually block-vote Democrat. Chain migration must be ended, the fence must be built, and technology we had in the 1990s at GTE Data Services, an automatic facial recognition program that could put the guards at your station in 5 minutes if you went inside using your badge, accompanied by your 10 year old child, or anyone not in the system of employees. That security system would probably have been sold to the government for a bit less than the $20 billion congress spent a couple of years ago to an offshore company, a system that is too labor intensive to be used. Want to see more? Check out Tom Tancredo's news on Youtube with this link. http://www.teamtancredo.com/tancredo_tomtv_index.asp

Here's the letter from NumbersUSA. Please scan down and call your idiot senators today - don't make me start a civil war 'cause I'd have a lot of followers... If illegal aliens are above the law, why can't Americans do what the majority want? I need target practice... cowgirl.png

DEAR FRIENDS,

I spent the day with our NumbersUSA Hill Team visiting many Members of Congress and their staffers.

The amnesty compromise has been reached (at least 95% of it, anyway). Sen. Kennedy (D-Mass.), Sen. Kyl (R-Ariz.) and Pres. Bush have negotiated a grand compromise between those who wanted a massive increase in foreign workers and those who wanted a blanket amnesty for illegal aliens and virtually unlimited family chain migration. Nobody involved represented the American people's interest in immigration reductions.

The first key vote will be next Monday night.

Senators are admitting privately that the bill will increase the number of greencards (for permanent settlement) by 20 million over the next 13 years. Added to the number that will be given out based on current law, that means 30-35 million greencards in just the next 13 years!

To give you an idea of how radically these Senators want to change our nation and communities, consider that there are around 25 million foreign-born now living in this country who have been given green cards over the last 75 years. That number already has overwhelmed and changed thousands of communities.

But the Senate negotiators and Pres. Bush want to raise that number of greencard holders in our communities from 25 million to 60 million in just the next 13 years!

(See below for more of the devastating components of the amnesty agreement.)

SENATORS SAY THEY ARE WILLING TO VOTE FOR AMNESTY BECAUSE THEY AREN'T GETTING THAT MANY PHONE CALLS OPPOSING THE NEGOTIATIONS

I picked up some more unsettling and startling information on the Hill today. Such as this:

Many Senators are telling staffers and other Senators that they are inclined to vote for the giant Kennedy/Bush amnesty bill (S. 1348) next week because they say they have been surprised at how few phone calls of protest they've gotten during the last two months of highly-publicized negotiations to create the amnesty.

They are concluding that the citizens of their states just aren't all that worked up about granting an amnesty. And they're interpreting that as a green light to give corporations the huge new supplies of legal foreign labor they desire.

These are Senators who have voted against amnesty in the past.

This makes me heart-sick. While we have given you a number of opportunities to make phone calls to express concern about the amnesty negotiations, we haven't pushed you hard until this week because the Republican negotiators assured us at every step of the way that they would not agree to anything that gives permanent legalization to illegal aliens.

Now that the "deal" has been revealed as a nearly total blanket amnesty for 12-20 million illegal aliens, it is obvious that the Republican negotiators and their staffs misled us, and misled you when you called.

At this time, only 15 Senators are thought to be likely to vote against the amnesty next week.

Everybody on the Hill says constituent pressure the rest of this week and next week is the only thing that can add more NO votes. But they feel a lot of Senators' support for the amnesty bill is shallow and can change once they realize how politically risky it is to vote YES -- and to learn more details of the really horrible and costly parts of the bill.

I should tell you that Rosemary Jenks (our director of government relations) remains optimistic that our grassroots mobilization can eke out 41 NO votes next week in a cloture vote -- that would kill the amnesty in the Senate. But that will happen only if tens of thousands more of you than normal pick up a phone and make a call.


ACTIONS FOR TODAY


I hope thousands of you will have enough information in this Alert to start making phone calls right now. And I hope the rest of you will start sending faxes and making phone calls as soon as we send you more specific action links with talking points.

Go to your Action Buffet corkboard every morning and afternoon until this is over. Send the faxes. We'll be putting up new faxes every day.

www.NumbersUSA.com/actionbuffet

MAKE A PHONE CALL TO YOUR TWO SENATORS AT:

202-224-3121

I know that most of you have never made a phone call. Your faxing totally dominates the written communications in offices. But our phone presence just isn't powerful enough. We need far more phoning to give more weight to the piles of faxes they are getting.

THE SENATORS ARE PARTICULARLY MEASURING PHONE CALLS RIGHT NOW.

Many of you will have enough information from this Alert to make phone call as soon as you finish reading this.

But for those of you who have never make a call before, you may want to wait until you get an email with a link to a phone action note that will give you talking points and make it easy for you.

The opposition is doing everything possible to try to convince Senators that our movement represents loud people but not very many people. We need every one of you to step forward and be heard to convince Senators that our voice is the voice of the majority.

Combined with high fertility among the foreign born, immigration is currently on a trajectory to lead to 100 million more people crowded into American communities before mid-century.

But if this Kennedy/Bush/Kyl Amnesty (the KBK Amnesty) passes into law, this nation will have to handle 100 million more people in just a few decades, long before mid-century.


KEY COMPONENTS OF THE KBK AMNESTY


Although we don't have the legislative language yet, here are the key components:


WE LOSE -- by getting an immediate amnesty for nearly all 12-20 million illegal aliens who will get legal status for residence and jobs (with assurance of green cards no later than 13 years).


IN EXHANGE FOR -- we get mandatory workplace verification and a lot of extra enforcement (with a lot of typical Kennedy loopholes) to try to slow the flow of the next 12 million illegal aliens enticed by the amnesty;


WE LOSE -- by getting a tripling of the rate of chain migration of extended family from around 250,000 a year to around 750,000 a year for about a decade;


IN EXCHANGE FOR -- after about a decade, there should be no more chain migration (assuming that Kennedy doesn't add it back in by then);


WE LOSE -- by getting new flows of 400,000 temporary foreign workers each year, bringing their families and having anchor babies who will be given U.S. citizenship;


IN EXCHANGE FOR -- at least the temporary workers are supposed to leave and not be able to apply for greencards and permanent residency.


WHY THE REPUBLICANS ARE STAMPEDING TO BACK THIS AMNESTY


The majority of Republican Senators last year voted against the S. 2611 amnesty that passed.

But at a noon meeting today with nearly all GOP Senators, Sen. Kyl outlined the amnesty agreement he had negotiated with Sen. Kennedy. Our sources say only about three Senators raised concerns. Most of the rest were saying things like, "If you think this is a good idea, John, I guess that should be good enough for us."

Pres. Bush and staff have been brilliant in moving Sen. McCain (R-Ariz.) and Sen. Martinez (R-Fla.) into a more secondary role and persuading conservative leader Kyl to lead the negotiations. Kyl is able to lead many Senators to follow him who would otherwise not support an amnesty of any kind.

At the moment, the only Senators whom we feel relatively certain are opposing this new amnesty are Sen. DeMint (R-SC), Enzi (R-Wyo.), Crapo (R-Idaho), Vitter (R-La.), Allard (R-Colo.), Sessions (R-Ala.), Chambliss (R-Ga.), Grassley (R-Iowa).

Let us know what you find out when you call the other offices.

GOOD LUCK,


P.S. The following email was passed on to me from the National Review which received it from one of its readers. Perhaps you will be encouraged by it.

I can tell you that Republican congressional offices are besieged with faxes. My own congress critter had a staffer call me Monday to ask if I were using an automatic faxer, since they were getting hundreds and hundreds of similar ones. I told him that NumbersUSA, to which I belong, did have a fax service. I also asked
him if it didn't help [the congressman>, who's pretty good on the issue, to be able to say he'd gotten x faxes and y phone calls in absolute opposition to whatever, as he attempts to stiffen the rather flexible spines of some of his colleagues.

The staffer finally admitted that they did use the numbers, but felt
overwhelmed. I told him if that was the case, they needed to be beating leadership over the head with boxes of faxes, not complaining to me.

He also asked where I had gotten the closer to my faxes (A nation which WILL not enforce its laws soon finds it has few it CAN enforce, and then it ceases to be a nation). He seemed surprised when I told him it was original.

----------M. McLemore, Pike Road, AL



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jwinathome
How can we expect to secure this country when we aren't even willing to secure the safest place in existence.....the womb.

The deep fundamental problems that exist in this country are nearly irreversible without repentance. Until then, our land will not "be healed."

Just remember, there are laws, then there is mercy. The illegal immigrants though breaking laws, are still human beings. The problem right now is that politicians are not concerned with the reality of the situation...they are concerned of how many potential votes their views will gain them. Until that changes, good luck accomplishing anything that resembles progress. (Please note that I actually have an optimistic view of this country, and I think America is the world's last best hope for the future.) I place no faith or confidence in politicians.
JohnWho
QUOTE(jwinathome @ May 17 2007, 10:56 AM) *
The illegal immigrants though breaking laws, are still human beings.


How true -

clearly we should only prosecute non-human beings when the break the law.

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jwinathome
QUOTE(JohnWho @ May 17 2007, 01:01 PM) *
QUOTE(jwinathome @ May 17 2007, 10:56 AM) *
The illegal immigrants though breaking laws, are still human beings.


How true -

clearly we should only prosecute non-human beings when the break the law.

crazy.gif


Don't be a cynic. smile.gif

I bet you think you're a primate.
JohnWho
QUOTE(joygreen @ May 17 2007, 10:44 AM) *
Both parties are vote-whoring.


I'm shocked to read that.

In fact, I'm so taken aback since reading it that I may not be able to post anything on this topic for a few days!

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JohnWho
QUOTE(jwinathome @ May 17 2007, 01:03 PM) *
QUOTE(JohnWho @ May 17 2007, 01:01 PM) *

QUOTE(jwinathome @ May 17 2007, 10:56 AM) *
The illegal immigrants though breaking laws, are still human beings.


How true -

clearly we should only prosecute non-human beings when the break the law.

crazy.gif


Don't be a cynic. smile.gif

I bet you think you're a primate.


Primarily,

yes.

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quietman7
Lawmakers Strike Deal on Immigration
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A bipartisan group of senators reached agreement with the White House Thursday on an immigration overhaul to grant quick legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in the U.S.....
Scarlett
mad.gif Goodbye America Hello Balkans. dry.gif

Does that include all of the criminal elements as well??? Arrgh! Utter stupidity! If not, how in the heck will they sort through all of them.

I say do not pass go and do not collect 200$. Go back to square one!
JohnWho
Well,

it's been a bi-partisan effort that got us in this mess,

so it's not surprising that it's a bi-partisan effort as to how we proceed.
Scarlett
I do not fully blame either side of the political spectrum. Both are guilty.
And although I lean conservativly, I am not to pleased that Bush is and has been riding the fence on this one. He can not please everybody.
joygreen
The senate is debating the "Immigration Reform Act of 2007" S.1348
Title: A bill to provide for comprehensive immigration reform and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Reid, Harry [NV] (introduced 5/9/2007) Cosponsors (4) (D and R)
Latest Major Action: 5/23/2007 Senate floor actions.
Status: Considered by Senate (current week starting May 21, not settled as of May 25, so they are off for vacation.

Senate is about to GIVE citizenship to 12,000,000 - 20,000,000 illegal aliens, along with their families (called Chain Migration). Congressman Tom Tancredo says this will bankrupt the Country. I believe him.

The Catholic Church says we should offer these people "charity". The American Legion (Men and women who have fought wars to keep America safe) OPPOSE this bill, as do 79% of Americans. The Catholic Church (I am one) should BUTT OUTT of America's Sovereignty. Mexicans are not starving or being brutalized in Mexico. The Church is deafeningly silent while the ACLU destroys Christianity in America.

Please, please logon to NumbersUSA.com and Congress.org to state your opposition to this most ridiculous bill.

Today's news is that China (that America made rich enough to do this 'cause we wanted cheap goods and has been observing America's military action in Iraq.) has long and short range missiles ready to fire in their region and all the way to the US shores.

The UN, based in NYC, funded by the US, is providing anti-American books to their countries' schools.

One million illegals are caught and released every year. Police are not allowed to ask the citizenship status, although we have "laws" against entering the US illegally. First offense, misdemeanor, second offense, felony. But hey, Congress and Senate doesn't feel like enforcing THOSE laws, so instead they are going to GIVE America to the Mexicans. Mexico is the richest third world country.

Please, people, STAND UP FOR AMERICA. icon_luke.gif lest we find our Country bowdown.gif and eating horse.gif

BTW: 12 American Soldiers are facing Courts-Martial for their split-second decisions (that probably saved their lives) in Iraq. 95% of soldiers without private lawyers are found guilty. This is insane: we prosecute our Warriors, and reward lawbreakers. We give financial aid to countries that burn our Flag. How can the entire government be off their rockers like this? MONEY, MONEY, MONEY. I have to tell them, their dollars won't mean a thing when they are dead by some barbaric Jihaddist, living right here in the U.S.A. Why doesn't Moderate-Conservative mean anything anymore? Why aren't our 3 branches of Government policing each other? Bush has committed so many high crimes he could/should be impeached several times over. But poster_oops.gif then it would be Prez Cheney, who is also a lawbreaker. And then another poster_oops.gif it will be Prez Pelosi! and then we can all rip_1.gif
Animal
QUOTE(joygreen)
Mexico is the richest third world country

I'm intrigued. What is your definition of "Third World Country? I can't find one that seems applicable as I read your information. It seems in todays global concepts there are a multitude of definitions of the term, that one can randomly apply a custom tailored definition. I'm interested in your specific definition as you included the term. I do feel that in debating the concepts of Immigration Reform it is essential that objectivity remain paramount. Hence my stressing the need for as well as my full comprehension of an objective definition, that I am unable to locate.
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However, there is no objective definition of Third World or "Third World country" and the use of the term remains common. The term Third World is also disliked as it may imply the false notion that those countries are not a part of the global economic system. Although it is also criticized as being out-of-date, colonialist, othering, and inaccurate, its use continues unabated. Political theorist Hannah Arendt contends that, indeed, "The Third World is not a reality but an ideology."


Quote about the definition of "Third World" from here.
JohnWho
QUOTE(joygreen @ May 25 2007, 07:47 PM) *
The senate is debating the "Immigration Reform Act of 2007" S.1348
Title: A bill to provide for comprehensive immigration reform and for other purposes.
Sponsor: Sen Reid, Harry [NV] (introduced 5/9/2007) Cosponsors (4) (D and R)
Latest Major Action: 5/23/2007 Senate floor actions.
Status: Considered by Senate (current week starting May 21, not settled as of May 25, so they are off for vacation.

Senate is about to GIVE citizenship to 12,000,000 - 20,000,000 illegal aliens, along with their families (called Chain Migration). Congressman Tom Tancredo says this will bankrupt the Country. I believe him.



Let's just start with the above.

It is correct when it lists it as a bill - it has not been signed into law as of this date.

"Senate is about to GIVE citizenship..."

Here is the complete text of the bill - S.1348 - Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007

Where exactly does it state that citizenship will be "given" to anyone? It does discuss the proceedures one will have to go through to "earn" citizenship. Whether one finds those proceedures acceptable or not is something to debate, but it is very misleading, in my opinion, to characterize them as "giving".

Also, doesn't that 12-20,000,000 figure include the family members? At least, the immediate ones.

The bill, by the way, is a bi-partisan bill so far, meaning, essentially, that neither side will be totally pleased with the end result, but both parties will be able to claim that they got some of what they wanted. We, the people, however...
joygreen
Let's not deny that Mexico is rich with natural resources, including oil, and its shape gives it miles of beaches. "Third World" is part of a quote I've read; to me it means underdeveloped, undereducated. If that is an offensive term in these politically correct days, I will take it back. But most of the illegal aliens have not completed high school, and are escaping construction and farming jobs that pay only $13 per day.

Please understand that I have been doing grassroots-activism on this subject, getting much of my information from NumbersUSA, an organization with an office in DC that attends and speaks at Congressional meetings. The Heritage FOundation, also reports statistics as does the National Institute of Health that reports 75% of South Americans have been exposed to TB. In my research, the number of illegals in this country leans more to the 20M mark. This is a lot of people. Chain migration (bringing families in) increases their numbers exponentially, and I just cannot see America being able to absorb this many people without negatively impacting our natural resources.

I read articles about farmers and other land owners where these people have camped, leaving garbage and trash behind. This is trespassing. America builds water stations in the desert to accomodate these people and when someone does die of thirst in the desert, America sometimes gets sued.

A recent article in the St. Petersburg Times talked about how these people receive welfare and then work for cash. This is fraud, yet the Times (a left leaning MSM) failed to point that out.

I say "giving citizenship" because how many Americans can buy their way out of a felony for $4,000? The USA does not exercises the custom of testing these particular immigrants for disease (TB is one, and I have been affected). There is no English-speaking requirement for THEM although all previous LEGAL immigrants have been required to learn the language on their own. We have gone so far as to create a bi-lingual system: even voting cards and applications for welfare are translated in Spanish.

Immediate family usually includes a spouse and children, right? Until recently, an illegal could use Chain migration to bring uncles, aunts, distant cousins...

In this instance, bi-partisan only means that both parties are getting campaign contributions from big business that wants cheap labor to prop up our Stock Market. The Heritage Foundation has calculated that the government spends $22,000 per year supporting these non-high-school-educated households. This is net of any taxes they might pay and even the lotto tickets they buy. Why else would both Houses of Congress and the President ignore the will of 70+% of Americans?

There are construction and farming jobs in Mexico. Instead of DEVELOPING their own country, these illegal immigrants choose to come to America for higher wages and the government support they get. In America, when wages were too low, we created labor unions. Eventually, when we had an honorable government, laws were passed to protect workers so that labor unions were hardly necessary anymore.

The Constitution promises protection against invasion. One million uninvited people entering this country per year qualifies in my mind as invasion. The dozens of laws passed to protect their inability to speak English costs the American taxpayer. Even the Catholic Church, whom I have contacted, recognizes our right to Sovereignty, but wants America to accept this "want for a better life". NOBODY in Mexico is starving. They have a president, not a dictator murdering people. Albeit their government is corrupt, they have shown their ability to make demands in protests like they do here in DC.

I would guess that the 40% of unemployed black American men would love to have jobs. We have our own base of non-high-school graduates. What about youngsters in youth camps? Wouldn't it be good for them to have the opportunity to travel the country to pick fruit and learn farming?

If you would get your information from varied sources, you will see the same observations. And what about the rest of the post? I'm not making this stuff up. America is in a horrible economic status: we have our own elderly and weak population who could live much better if they got the kind of free money and free medical care that the illegals do. I worked 34 years in this Country, and my Social Security is less than the welfare these people get. One fourth of the families do not work. Their children are crowding our children out of the schoolrooms, and dragging the quality of education down because of their inabiity to speak English. Some get Social Security, without having earned the same number of credits an American needs to get their paid retirement/disability insurance.

Congress is choosing which laws to enforce. Calling an "Illegal" an "Undocumented" tells me these lawmakers are taking sides against America. Two Border Patrol Agents sit in jail for doing their jobs: the US Attorney gave a Mexican drug dealer freedom to testify against our American protectors. We arrest and jail Americans who have prescriptions for Cannabis, but we allow Mexican drug dealers a free pass. Why?



quietman7
According to the U.S. Supreme Court, the Constitution was established by the people for the people of the nation as a whole. It was not written to govern other nations or extend rights to their citizens.
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The constitution was ordained and established by the people of the United States for themselves, for their own [federal] government....
--Chief Justice John Marshall, 7 Pet. 243, 8 L.Ed 672 (1833).

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Suppose 20 millions of republican Americans thrown all of a sudden into France, what would be the condition of that kingdom? If it would be more turbulent, less happy, less strong, we may believe that the addition of half a million of foreigners to our present numbers would produce a similar effect here.
--Thomas Jefferson, 1787, [From Notes on the State of Virginia, ed. William Peden (Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press for the Institute of Early American History and Culture, Williamsburg, Virginia, 1954), 84-5.]
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