A couple of observations on the illegal immigration issue currently confronting the United States (among other nations). Unfortunately, our central government has, as it habitually does, ignored this problem until it is faced with a crises, just as it ignores the serious problems in education, energy, resources, and global warming.
It speaks to the credit of the US that there is even a debate about the fate of these people. In other times and in other nations, and we have only to think of China or Taliban-ruled nations, these protestors would have been eliminated, jailed, or tortured---Stalin would have shipped them all off to Siberia along with the Kulaks. Indeed, a peaceful demonstration would not even have been considered.
Americans are torn between compassion and a concern for illegals' human rights, and a knowledge that our laws guarantee certain legal rights and liberties exclusively to its citizens. Americans really wish to do "the right thing" for both the illegals and for its own citizens.
There are an estimated 12 million non-citizens currently working and residing in the US. Many of these people have resided in this nation for some time, and many mothers and fathers have children who are citizens by the very fact of being born on our soil. Most of these people have, like so many others before them, journeyed at some peril, emotional upheaval, and expence in an attempt to make a better life for themselves, and this motive certainly is understandable by any person; most of these illegals want to live here, work here, and raise their children with better advantages than they could otherwise have.
The real issue is how to include a just and decent portion of these human beings into the fabric of our nation, allow them the benefits of citizenship as well as its financial and legal obligations, and to exclude the remainder in as gentle and humane a manner as possible.
Considering the fate of 12 million lives and the futures of adults and children should not be done lightly nor without consulting and following- - -as best we can- - - the noble principles that caused this nation to be founded.
Regards,
John
Full Version: Immigration Law Protests
Jgweed for president!
We might have to get you a stage name....Vote weed for president might not work with the conserative middleclasses!!
I think your point is correct and what i was trying to say if i was literate enough!!
We might have to get you a stage name....Vote weed for president might not work with the conserative middleclasses!!
I think your point is correct and what i was trying to say if i was literate enough!!
A.N.S.W.E.R. DEMANDS AMNESTY AND FULL RIGHTS FOR IMMIGRANTS!
A.N.S.W.E.R. believes that all working people should back the demand: "Amnesty! Full Rights for All Immigrants!"
They blame the US for causing the immigration problem and waging war on immigrant America.
This communist group and its radical supporters are fueling the hate in this issue. Last Wednesday, there was a meeting in Washington, D.C. at which A.N.S.W.E.R.'s National Coordinator, Brian Becker, and Juan Jose Gutierrez, Director of Latino Movement USA, spoke about illegal immigration as an aspect of the socialist movement. They are using illegal immigrates and the demonstrations as a political ploy to further their cause.
And average folks not knowing or understanding the inner workings that are involved in all of this wonder why many Americans are so angry and frustrated.
A.N.S.W.E.R. believes that all working people should back the demand: "Amnesty! Full Rights for All Immigrants!"
They blame the US for causing the immigration problem and waging war on immigrant America.
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Immigration has increased in recent years because of U.S. neoliberal policies that rob countries like Mexico of the ability to develop and sustain their own economies.
This communist group and its radical supporters are fueling the hate in this issue. Last Wednesday, there was a meeting in Washington, D.C. at which A.N.S.W.E.R.'s National Coordinator, Brian Becker, and Juan Jose Gutierrez, Director of Latino Movement USA, spoke about illegal immigration as an aspect of the socialist movement. They are using illegal immigrates and the demonstrations as a political ploy to further their cause.
And average folks not knowing or understanding the inner workings that are involved in all of this wonder why many Americans are so angry and frustrated.
A.N.S.W.S.E.R. = Act Now To Stop War And End Racism
Interesting due to the fact that they are helping to instigate a war themselves.
Interesting due to the fact that they are helping to instigate a war themselves.
Ok I got a crazy idea.
Let's just let everyone in, no laws. Nothing, just come over here. Just give them a green card; let them in.
It's not like our country is overpopulating like China. In fact, USA and China have approximately the same land room, except, China squezes about 1.3 billion people there. So don't even say USA is overcrowding. We still have room for another 200 million. (Anyone want to go Wyoming, or Alaska - which are our least 2 populated states)
The only real reason I can see why we have all these restrictions is so that we can get everyone on record.
Imagine how many of them would actualy want to become legal! if we just made the process simple for them to get there green card.
Theoretically we could do this:
Let them just cross the border. Provde hundreds of local places labeled in Spanish with English translation (just in case), for them to apply to get legal, and give them some benefits of becoming legal. Geez. it's tough enough coming to a new county and being looked down upon.
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I can see only one real reason of controlling immigration. 9-11
Ok, I bite. I admit that we shouldn't allow terrorists into the country. However, everybody is a terrorist. Think about it. Samuel Adams, Patrick Henry, George Washington, Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, were considred terrorists to the British.
Ghandi was considered a terrorist to Great Britain.
Depending on your point of referrence, your allies terrorists, might not be your terrorists, but your ally will try to convince you they should be.
In addition, how do we know an American born here, might not become a terrorist?
I think our government has been using 9-11 as an excuse to get away with too many things.
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I understand that I'm probably gonna get flamed for all this, however, realistically, try thinking about it from there point...
Let's just let everyone in, no laws. Nothing, just come over here. Just give them a green card; let them in.
It's not like our country is overpopulating like China. In fact, USA and China have approximately the same land room, except, China squezes about 1.3 billion people there. So don't even say USA is overcrowding. We still have room for another 200 million. (Anyone want to go Wyoming, or Alaska - which are our least 2 populated states)
The only real reason I can see why we have all these restrictions is so that we can get everyone on record.
Imagine how many of them would actualy want to become legal! if we just made the process simple for them to get there green card.
Theoretically we could do this:
Let them just cross the border. Provde hundreds of local places labeled in Spanish with English translation (just in case), for them to apply to get legal, and give them some benefits of becoming legal. Geez. it's tough enough coming to a new county and being looked down upon.
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I can see only one real reason of controlling immigration. 9-11
Ok, I bite. I admit that we shouldn't allow terrorists into the country. However, everybody is a terrorist. Think about it. Samuel Adams, Patrick Henry, George Washington, Thomas Paine, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson, were considred terrorists to the British.
Ghandi was considered a terrorist to Great Britain.
Depending on your point of referrence, your allies terrorists, might not be your terrorists, but your ally will try to convince you they should be.
In addition, how do we know an American born here, might not become a terrorist?
I think our government has been using 9-11 as an excuse to get away with too many things.
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I understand that I'm probably gonna get flamed for all this, however, realistically, try thinking about it from there point...
< Jihadists, reconquistas, and Socialists >For the love of God, and all that you hold dear, WAKE UP!
Credit: Michelle Malkin and the source Allah Pundit in NY
Sorry to say that socialists propaganda, academia's "brainwashing" of our youth and ignorance has caused many in this country to fall asleep.
Michelle has been on target with this WAKE UP call long before the protests begin. She has been one of those lone "voices crying in the wilderness" which the MSM chooses to ignore because they do not agree with her. And in return, Michelle has been viciously attacked with vulgar and hateful email simply for expressing her opinion as a news pundit. So much for the left which constantly touts tolerance for others except for those who do not agree with them.
Double standards and bias proliferate our universities and all MSM news reporting. Create the story, rewrite history with distortion and misinformation. Facts are irrelevant and only cloud the issues so they can be ignored. Afterall, most people only read the headlines or listen to sound bites for information. Anyway why bother them with the truth when there is an agenda to achieve. "Make way for socialism America, its coming to a town near you".
Michelle has been on target with this WAKE UP call long before the protests begin. She has been one of those lone "voices crying in the wilderness" which the MSM chooses to ignore because they do not agree with her. And in return, Michelle has been viciously attacked with vulgar and hateful email simply for expressing her opinion as a news pundit. So much for the left which constantly touts tolerance for others except for those who do not agree with them.
Double standards and bias proliferate our universities and all MSM news reporting. Create the story, rewrite history with distortion and misinformation. Facts are irrelevant and only cloud the issues so they can be ignored. Afterall, most people only read the headlines or listen to sound bites for information. Anyway why bother them with the truth when there is an agenda to achieve. "Make way for socialism America, its coming to a town near you".
I think America jus needs another Superhero!
socialism in America will never work..because it doesnt work anywhere else! Dont worry i see it in my country its the small minority making all the noise and control of the media, but its the quiet majority that controls the country.
Like me!
socialism in America will never work..because it doesnt work anywhere else! Dont worry i see it in my country its the small minority making all the noise and control of the media, but its the quiet majority that controls the country.
Like me!
In the news: Mexicans Rush to U.S. Border
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...the draw is a bill before the U.S. Senate that could legalize some of the 11 million people now illegally in the United States...Migrants are hurrying to cross over in time to qualify for a possible guest-worker program...
i presume the law would be applicable to people workking illeagle in the US for the past few years..
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presume the law would be applicable to people workking illeagle in the US for the past few years.
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The bill the Senate was so close to passing last week was nearly a mirror image of the dreadful law of 1986, IRCA, the law that amnestied 5 million illegal immigrants and opened the door to the 12 million more that would have benefited this time. Under that Senate bill, given the principle of proportionality, we could have expected 20 million more illegal immigrants to have been amnestied over the next 20 years... The 12 million or so illegal immigrants presently here are not leaving, and nothing in the Senate's bills would have made them leave.
The Truth about Illegal Immigration
As you can see, our political leaders are apparently more concerned about the voice of the illegals than their constituents.
Zogby: Most Americans Oppose Amnesty
Anyway Democrats killed the current immigration bill. Sen. Reid decided that immigration is better used as a political issue than a legislative one, hence his decision to block all amendments, leading to the bill's death on the floor.
Speaking of academia propaganda and indoctrination of our youth, I ran across this today: Marxist Agitator Dolores Huerta Speaks at Tucson High School "Republicans hate Latinos!"
How much proof is needed that these protests are rooted in hate sponsored by socialists and supported by liberal elitists and the MSM?
"Wake up America, socialism is coming to a town near you".
The Dems killed the immigration bill in the senate for political gain. The Dems blocked Repubs from removing the felony crime provision in the House and they are propped up as the good guys.
How much proof is needed that these protests are rooted in hate sponsored by socialists and supported by liberal elitists and the MSM?
"Wake up America, socialism is coming to a town near you".
The Dems killed the immigration bill in the senate for political gain. The Dems blocked Repubs from removing the felony crime provision in the House and they are propped up as the good guys.
The pictures that Scarlett posted really disturbed me, especially the one where the American flag was burned.
I will not post any further on this subject.
If anyone read my post before it got edited, then you know how I feel about these illegal misfits.
Bob.
I will not post any further on this subject.
If anyone read my post before it got edited, then you know how I feel about these illegal misfits.
Bob.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20060...85025-9094r.htm
On Jan. 10, the Associated Press reported that federal officials had alerted Border Patrol agents that Mexican smugglers were angry over increased security and would be transporting members of the Mara Salvatrucha gang or (MS-13) into the United States. Their mission is to perform multiple killings of Border Patrol agents along with committing other crimes necessary to increase their financial prowess. Originally formed by El Salvadorian immigrants residing in Los Angeles, MS-13 has 30,000 members throughout 33 states, including Virginia, Maryland and the District. The feds have not withdrawn this warning as they remain an ongoing threat -- time for us to grow up.
On Jan. 10, the Associated Press reported that federal officials had alerted Border Patrol agents that Mexican smugglers were angry over increased security and would be transporting members of the Mara Salvatrucha gang or (MS-13) into the United States. Their mission is to perform multiple killings of Border Patrol agents along with committing other crimes necessary to increase their financial prowess. Originally formed by El Salvadorian immigrants residing in Los Angeles, MS-13 has 30,000 members throughout 33 states, including Virginia, Maryland and the District. The feds have not withdrawn this warning as they remain an ongoing threat -- time for us to grow up.
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http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/003408.php
Al Qaeda seeks ties to DC gangs
A top al Qaeda lieutenant has met with leaders of a violent Salvadoran criminal gang with roots in Mexico and the United States — including a stronghold in the Washington area — in an effort by the terrorist network to seek help infiltrating the U.S.-Mexico border, law enforcement authorities said.
Adnan G. El Shukrijumah, a key al Qaeda cell leader for whom the U.S. government has offered a $5 million reward, was spotted in July in Honduras meeting with leaders of El Salvador's notorious Mara Salvatrucha gang, which immigration officials said has smuggled hundreds of Central and South Americans — mostly gang members — into the United States.
Al Qaeda seeks ties to DC gangs
A top al Qaeda lieutenant has met with leaders of a violent Salvadoran criminal gang with roots in Mexico and the United States — including a stronghold in the Washington area — in an effort by the terrorist network to seek help infiltrating the U.S.-Mexico border, law enforcement authorities said.
Adnan G. El Shukrijumah, a key al Qaeda cell leader for whom the U.S. government has offered a $5 million reward, was spotted in July in Honduras meeting with leaders of El Salvador's notorious Mara Salvatrucha gang, which immigration officials said has smuggled hundreds of Central and South Americans — mostly gang members — into the United States.
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http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/004555.php
East Boston street gang linked to Al-Qaeda
A burgeoning East Boston-based street gang made up of alleged rapists and machete-wielding robbers has been linked to the al-Qaeda terrorist network, prompting Boston police to ``turn up the heat'' on its members, the Herald has learned.
MS-13, which stands for La Mara Salvatrucha, is an extremely violent organization with roots in El Salvador, and boasts more than 100 ``hardcore members'' in East Boston who are suspected of brutal machete attacks, rapes and home invasions. There are hundreds more MS-13 gangsters in towns along the North Shore, said Boston police Sgt. Detective Joseph Fiandaca, who has investigated the gang since it began tagging buildings in Maverick Square in 1995.
East Boston street gang linked to Al-Qaeda
A burgeoning East Boston-based street gang made up of alleged rapists and machete-wielding robbers has been linked to the al-Qaeda terrorist network, prompting Boston police to ``turn up the heat'' on its members, the Herald has learned.
MS-13, which stands for La Mara Salvatrucha, is an extremely violent organization with roots in El Salvador, and boasts more than 100 ``hardcore members'' in East Boston who are suspected of brutal machete attacks, rapes and home invasions. There are hundreds more MS-13 gangsters in towns along the North Shore, said Boston police Sgt. Detective Joseph Fiandaca, who has investigated the gang since it began tagging buildings in Maverick Square in 1995.
Julie Myers As Head Of ICE, Bloggers Reaction
Green is a fitting color I feel. After all she is so underqualified for her position head of I.C.E.
(Immigration and Customs Enforcement) That it would be laughable if it were not such an outrageous fact.
Green is a fitting color I feel. After all she is so underqualified for her position head of I.C.E.
(Immigration and Customs Enforcement) That it would be laughable if it were not such an outrageous fact.
This issue really buggs you eh?
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So positivitly thrilled that these young men are displaying their love of America
in such a respectful manner. Aren't you? A heart warming scenario it is.
NOT!
What I mean to say is that they are a bunch of disrespectful and ungrateful thugs!
Who do not desire the American way of life.
They want to spit on it! And they are!
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So positivitly thrilled that these young men are displaying their love of America
in such a respectful manner. Aren't you? A heart warming scenario it is.
NOT!
What I mean to say is that they are a bunch of disrespectful and ungrateful thugs!
Who do not desire the American way of life.
They want to spit on it! And they are!
Seems they are just following the call of some political leaders. If our leaders don't support the country why should they?
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A newly elected councilman in a tiny Florida village has refused to take an oath of office pledging support for the U.S. government because he adamantly opposes the war in Iraq. Councilman-elect Basil Dalack, 76, a Korean War veteran...is refusing to take the oath of office...because the oath requires him to "support, protect and defend" the government.
Florida councilman won't swear support for USA
Then he should be ousted A.S.A.P.!!
As so should the mayor of San Francisco!
Because it just gets worse....
What? Did I read that correctly?
Infiltrators! On the verge of treason!
We are being taken down from the inside!
As so should the mayor of San Francisco!
Because it just gets worse....
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Mayor: City would ignore legislation if it were to pass
SAN FRANCISCO - Mayor Gavin Newsom said Thursday that The City will not comply with any federal legislation that criminalizes efforts to help illegal immigrants.
SAN FRANCISCO - Mayor Gavin Newsom said Thursday that The City will not comply with any federal legislation that criminalizes efforts to help illegal immigrants.
What? Did I read that correctly?
Infiltrators! On the verge of treason!
We are being taken down from the inside!
BTW, it appears these same individuals protesting and burning flags will probably get to vote for their favorite politicians.
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Some of the biggest pro-illegal immigration rallies lately have featured a disturbing phenomenon: Democratic Party operatives conducting voter registration drives.
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the majority of those immigrants being signed up to vote in US elections are in the country unlawfully.
Protest Organizers Registering Illegal Aliens to Vote!QUOTE
"It's an emerging civil rights movement. We're at a turning point in Colorado." The rally was one of the largest political gatherings in Denver's history. Proponents said they hoped to build on the astonishing afternoon with voter registration drives and other initiatives.
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Colorado Democrats say the immigration debate has given the party a tool for more Latino recruitment.
Burning issues light fire under efforts to register Latino voters
why are illegal mexicans doing this? there are thousands of irish illegal but would never burn a flag??!!
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why are illegal mexicans doing this? there are thousands of irish illegal but would never burn a flag??!!
Because they are being led by radical socialists and liberal elitists in an effort to garnish the vote, gain power in the government and move their agenda forward. A few thousand Irish immigrants don't provide the same opportunity.Update:
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A newly elected town-council member in Florida, who refused to take the oath of office ...was not allowed to substitute his own version of the oath at last night's swearing-in ceremony.
Florida official told: No substitute oathsDaleck's response: He filed a federal suit demanding the oath be reworded
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"Make no mistake, if you don't end this right now, you will be costing the taxpayers a lot of money to pay for high-priced lawyers to fight me tooth and nail; it will cost me only my time ... and I can represent myself in the Supreme Court, if push comes to shove,"
Speak up America! The time is now!
March 27 Judiciary Committee Vote on bill to Allow Amnesty
FOR: Sens. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio; Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.; Sam Brownback, R-Kan.; Arlen Specter, R-Pa.; Patrick Leahy, D-Vt.; Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass.; Joseph Biden, D-Del.; Herbert Kohl, D-Wis.; Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.; Russ Feingold, D-Wis.; Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., and Dick Durbin, D-Ill.
AGAINST: Sens. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah; Charles Grassley, R-Iowa; Jon Kyl, R-Ariz.; Jeff Sessions, R-Ala.; John Cornyn, R-Texas, and Tom Coburn, R-Okla.
A place to start
> Click on home state on map
> Click on each individual name on report card page
> Contact info link on each individual page
> Call! Write! Fax! E-Mail!
You have a life choose it! You have a voice use it!
March 27 Judiciary Committee Vote on bill to Allow Amnesty
FOR: Sens. Mike DeWine, R-Ohio; Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.; Sam Brownback, R-Kan.; Arlen Specter, R-Pa.; Patrick Leahy, D-Vt.; Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass.; Joseph Biden, D-Del.; Herbert Kohl, D-Wis.; Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif.; Russ Feingold, D-Wis.; Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., and Dick Durbin, D-Ill.
AGAINST: Sens. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah; Charles Grassley, R-Iowa; Jon Kyl, R-Ariz.; Jeff Sessions, R-Ala.; John Cornyn, R-Texas, and Tom Coburn, R-Okla.
A place to start
> Click on home state on map
> Click on each individual name on report card page
> Contact info link on each individual page
> Call! Write! Fax! E-Mail!
You have a life choose it! You have a voice use it!
I doubt if 100% of the country writing the Dems on the Judiciary Committee would do any good. Those folks are all supportive of the far left agenda and sympathetic with moving the country toward socialism. However, pressure on DeWine, Graham, Brownback, and Specter could mean the difference. They are more prone to listen to their constituents.
If you listen to the rhetoric of the protesters and their organizers, they deny the right of legal citizens, through their congressional reps, to control immigration, to expel illegal immigrants, or even to place any conditions on their remaining in the U.S. If you don't speak out, they win.
Doing as Scarlett suggests is the right place to start.
If you listen to the rhetoric of the protesters and their organizers, they deny the right of legal citizens, through their congressional reps, to control immigration, to expel illegal immigrants, or even to place any conditions on their remaining in the U.S. If you don't speak out, they win.
Doing as Scarlett suggests is the right place to start.
"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith, becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person’s becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American… There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn’t an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag… We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language… and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people.”—Theodore Roosevelt, 1907
Well at one time, someone had it right.
Well at one time, someone had it right.
Excellent quote find Scarlett.
Ronald Reagan once said "a foreigner can go to Germany and never become a German, to France and never become French, to Britain and never become English. America is the only nation where a person can move and become an American."
Unfortunatey, the influx of illegals in the past decade has brought foreigners who do not want to be Americans or they would obey our laws and not desecrate our flag.
Ronald Reagan once said "a foreigner can go to Germany and never become a German, to France and never become French, to Britain and never become English. America is the only nation where a person can move and become an American."
Unfortunatey, the influx of illegals in the past decade has brought foreigners who do not want to be Americans or they would obey our laws and not desecrate our flag.
I'm glad I can come here and read posts from people who have common sense!! I am highly offended that these people come into our country, (illegally) and expect to not pay taxes, for medical care, and the like. They burn our flag, claim they have rights under our Constitution, and spew messages of hate as they rally in our streets. You people are not Americans!!!! You did not become citizens; you just hopped over a fence, crossed a desert, and claim you are!!! You claim that because we are trying to enforce our laws, that we are evil; we are the enemy. Yet it is you, the illegals, who are trying to destroy our country from the inside with your messages of hate.
quietman7, Scarlett, you two are true Americans. You guys have shown me that true patriots still exist!!! Keep it up!! I'm with you all the way!!!
quietman7, Scarlett, you two are true Americans. You guys have shown me that true patriots still exist!!! Keep it up!! I'm with you all the way!!!
I might change my name to devils advocate for this thread.
I 've read the roosevelt quote, couldnt one take by sayind there is only room for one language etc like with most of that quote that there is only room for "true" americans? any deviation from which will not make you such?
Again, i have posted my feelings on America, i hope you inderstand im not in anyway a socialist or anti american in any way, maybe im not interpreting what is see posted here correctly, and again please dont take offence with what im about to ask but didnt hitler also have an ideal of what "true" Germans were?
This question is only my addition to this debate, im in your corner but just want to put in another slant on it..
I 've read the roosevelt quote, couldnt one take by sayind there is only room for one language etc like with most of that quote that there is only room for "true" americans? any deviation from which will not make you such?
Again, i have posted my feelings on America, i hope you inderstand im not in anyway a socialist or anti american in any way, maybe im not interpreting what is see posted here correctly, and again please dont take offence with what im about to ask but didnt hitler also have an ideal of what "true" Germans were?
This question is only my addition to this debate, im in your corner but just want to put in another slant on it..
What Roosevelt meant was that immigrants should assimilate into society, learn the English language and bond in a common unitiy with everyone else under the American flag. Doing this gave way to the description of America as the great "melting pot". To do otherwise creates division, separation and a divided allegiance as we see by much of the immigration problem in Europe.
Even our Canandian friends have experienced problems over the years as a result of keeping two major languages - French and English. As a result there are Canandians who strongly feel Canada should be separated into two countries.
Even our Canandian friends have experienced problems over the years as a result of keeping two major languages - French and English. As a result there are Canandians who strongly feel Canada should be separated into two countries.
Agreed, but on the flipside some welcome diversity, although not to when it creates division.
Its human nature to create division and conflict. Take Northern Ireland, to a china man both communities are the same, but within themselves they are oceans apart.
Yes i do agree with your point to an extent, but im not certain if it is entirely the solution.
Its human nature to create division and conflict. Take Northern Ireland, to a china man both communities are the same, but within themselves they are oceans apart.
Yes i do agree with your point to an extent, but im not certain if it is entirely the solution.
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Its human nature to create division and conflict. Take Northern Ireland, to china
Well the melting pot concept allows for diversity of people to live together in harmony. It has worked for one hundred and fifty years and that's what makes America different from all other countries. As Ronald Reagan noted in his quote "America is the only nation where a person can move and become an American".
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Its human nature to create division and conflict. Take Northern Ireland, to china[/quote]Well the melting pot concept allows for diversity of people to live together in harmony. It has worked for one hundred and fifty years and that's what makes America different from all other countries. As Ronald Reagan noted in his quote "America is the only nation where a person can move and become an American".
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Whats changed then? There has always been conflict in america..one can say it is a nation built on bloodshed, like probably most countries..
What do you think makes this current conflict any different? (i'm asking because i dont know)
Brian
Its human nature to create division and conflict. Take Northern Ireland, to china[/quote]Well the melting pot concept allows for diversity of people to live together in harmony. It has worked for one hundred and fifty years and that's what makes America different from all other countries. As Ronald Reagan noted in his quote "America is the only nation where a person can move and become an American".
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Whats changed then? There has always been conflict in america..one can say it is a nation built on bloodshed, like probably most countries..
What do you think makes this current conflict any different? (i'm asking because i dont know)
Brian
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Whats changed then?...What do you think makes this current conflict any different?
The leftest push towards political correctness and multiculturalism which causes division with an agenda to create a socialist society devoid of traditional moral values.Read: Educating Citizens: Multiculturalism
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Whats changed then?...What do you think makes this current conflict any different?
The leftest push towards political correctness and multiculturalism which causes division with an agenda to create a socialist society devoid of traditional moral values.Read: Educating Citizens: Multiculturalism
But is that not what you want to achieve by having a non diverse society, with everybody speaking english?,
Did you read the entire article? Educating Citizens: Multiculturalism
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Education in America today, at every level, is dominated by doctrines that openly repudiate the principles on which America is founded...So pervasive has been the influence of these doctrines that the teaching of American citizens from the earliest elementary levels to the graduate schools takes place almost wholly within their horizons. The consequence has been a corruption of the political language through which the nation conducts its public deliberations, a citizenry increasingly confused or uncertain about the ground and substance of its rights and duties, and political and educational leaders capable for the most part only of deepening the crisis...The popular expressions of these ideas in our time take a wide variety of forms. But as they are professed and practiced in the world of American education today, they converge most faddishly under the banners of "Multiculturalism" and "Diversity."
...The foremost idea of multiculturalism is the equal value of all cultures, or cultural relativism. This is an idea that has made it impossible for a generation of American students to make the perfectly rational moral distinction between a "culture" that puts Jews in the ovens and one that grants them freedom of worship and all rights of citizenship. (Under the heading of "diversity," this is also why public schools must not teach that monogamous heterosexual marriage is morally preferable to homosexual promiscuity. All "lifestyles," like all cultures, are created equal.)...
The more tepid multiculturalists say that teaching "American culture" is fine and proper, adding merely that American culture is defined by unqualified openness to all cultures. These are the ones who chant that it is "Diversity" that unifies us;...
The not surprising tendency of the multicultural therapy inflicted on America's students at all levels is to produce adult citizens who cannot distinguish between right and wrong; who are ignorant of their rights and duties as citizens and of the foundations and conditions of their political freedom; who have been taught to identify themselves through the skin color or surnames of their ancestors; who are ignorant of American history and the principles of American democracy or have been taught to despise America; who are lacking in basic intellectual accomplishments; and who believe that they should feel good about all this.
...The foremost idea of multiculturalism is the equal value of all cultures, or cultural relativism. This is an idea that has made it impossible for a generation of American students to make the perfectly rational moral distinction between a "culture" that puts Jews in the ovens and one that grants them freedom of worship and all rights of citizenship. (Under the heading of "diversity," this is also why public schools must not teach that monogamous heterosexual marriage is morally preferable to homosexual promiscuity. All "lifestyles," like all cultures, are created equal.)...
The more tepid multiculturalists say that teaching "American culture" is fine and proper, adding merely that American culture is defined by unqualified openness to all cultures. These are the ones who chant that it is "Diversity" that unifies us;...
The not surprising tendency of the multicultural therapy inflicted on America's students at all levels is to produce adult citizens who cannot distinguish between right and wrong; who are ignorant of their rights and duties as citizens and of the foundations and conditions of their political freedom; who have been taught to identify themselves through the skin color or surnames of their ancestors; who are ignorant of American history and the principles of American democracy or have been taught to despise America; who are lacking in basic intellectual accomplishments; and who believe that they should feel good about all this.
I need to process this. 
My brain is a "celeron d"
My brain is a "celeron d"
I have not read one pst that advocated anyone gining up their culture when hey become an American citizin. What I read is those who come to our Country, 1) Do it legally. 2) Once here respect our laws. 3) Learn english, and our ways, the way all immigritians have for over the past 100+ years.
It I am not mistake a test of english and American history is required for citizinship.
My take is President Fox has started an invaision of the southern US and is using Mexican civilian as soldiers as a first wave.
Snyper. You menition that there a Irish illegals? I don't see them burning the flag and breaking the laws by the tens of thousands. I wonder why?
It I am not mistake a test of english and American history is required for citizinship.
My take is President Fox has started an invaision of the southern US and is using Mexican civilian as soldiers as a first wave.
Snyper. You menition that there a Irish illegals? I don't see them burning the flag and breaking the laws by the tens of thousands. I wonder why?
Well for 1, there are 75 million irish americans, so we are way to close to be ignorant enough to do somthing like that, also irish immigrents have a way of using the system to get what they need IE Sn McCain & Kennedy, rather than marcking the streets & burning US flags, and even further, American has been very good to us, and made alot of immegrents wealthy....so we tend not to be motivated by country wrecking socialst scum.
Brian
Brian
The american free system is dispised bty these socialists..
In ireland attacks on army planes in Shannon airport (Stopover) is always carried out by people supported be socialists!!
I hate the very ground Sinn Fein stands on, they go to america get millions in funding by ignorent irish americans that have a romantic view of what they stand for (irish freedom) when infact they are down rite COMMUNISTS! Most people dont know this because of the "front" of irish rebellion rubbish.
I feel there is the same thing happening here, a sort of "back door" entrance for the socialists
In ireland attacks on army planes in Shannon airport (Stopover) is always carried out by people supported be socialists!!
I hate the very ground Sinn Fein stands on, they go to america get millions in funding by ignorent irish americans that have a romantic view of what they stand for (irish freedom) when infact they are down rite COMMUNISTS! Most people dont know this because of the "front" of irish rebellion rubbish.
I feel there is the same thing happening here, a sort of "back door" entrance for the socialists
This is the problem. Not too many have problems with legal immigrents. My question was about the illegals. How many illegal Irish are in the US? 75 million? We have 330± million. You are telling me 75 million Irish have come to this country in the passed 20 years. Because that is what this is all about. The illegal Mexicans have doubled in the past 20 year and the Mexican government is encouraging this.
Mexico could care less about their people as long as they send the money the earn (about $20 BILLION) back to Mexico. That is $20+ billion that is not spent in the American economy. What do you think this economy would do with a $20+ dollar infusion.
Mexico could care less about their people as long as they send the money the earn (about $20 BILLION) back to Mexico. That is $20+ billion that is not spent in the American economy. What do you think this economy would do with a $20+ dollar infusion.
honestly? 20 billion....a drop in the ocean. America is a huge economy.
What about the billions the combined states now have to pay as an added expense for health care services, welfare, education and other social benefits illegals should not be entitled to. This all adds up.
If they would spend $500 million in my state that would put 20 million alone in the coffers which could be spent on anything from pulic edcation to helpping New Orleans with Katrina relief.
QUOTE(acklan @ Apr 15 2006, 04:44 PM)
If they would spend $500 million in my state that would put 20 million alone in the coffers which could be spent on anything from pulic edcation to helpping New Orleans with Katrina relief.
I know that but spending on their social health does not mean if you werent paying for them it would necessarly go to health etc...for example...spending a million on an ornament or statue comes out of one budget, not spending it there does not mean health will get it ..
but i suppose onse they are causing the state to fork out your taxes i suppose what you mean is it could be spent on americans....so, yes i'd have to agree..
Acklan
just a quick question... isnt the Terminator the Mayor of your state?...and he still cant speak english!!
just a quick question... isnt the Terminator the Mayor of your state?...and he still cant speak english!!
Illegal Immigration Facts and Figures
* 10.4 million illegal aliens reside in the United States.
(source: Pew Hispanic Center)
* Every year, 500,000 additional illegal aliens enter the United States
(source: Pew Hispanic Center)
* California's (alone) nearly 3 million illegal immigrants cost taxpayers nearly $9 billion each year
(source: Federation for American Immigration Reform)
* Illegal aliens cost the federal government $10 billion more annually than they pay in taxes.
(source: Center for Immigration Studies)
* Taxpayers pay $750 million annually to house the 18,000 illegal aliens in California prisons.
(source: US Govt. Accounting Office)
From a early post of mine:
The #'s speak for them selves.
And all in the name of socialisim and votes!!!!!
Those in favor of illegal immigration and amensty, are selling out the United States,
in order to gain political power and further thier agenda!!!
That goes beyond the pale!!!
* 10.4 million illegal aliens reside in the United States.
(source: Pew Hispanic Center)
* Every year, 500,000 additional illegal aliens enter the United States
(source: Pew Hispanic Center)
* California's (alone) nearly 3 million illegal immigrants cost taxpayers nearly $9 billion each year
(source: Federation for American Immigration Reform)
* Illegal aliens cost the federal government $10 billion more annually than they pay in taxes.
(source: Center for Immigration Studies)
* Taxpayers pay $750 million annually to house the 18,000 illegal aliens in California prisons.
(source: US Govt. Accounting Office)
From a early post of mine:
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Poor education and school overcrowding - consequences of mass immigration
• The California State Department of Education estimates that 16 new classrooms will need to be built every day, seven days a week, for the next five years. That's effectively one new school per day! The number of teachers will need to be doubled within ten years, meaning that 300,000 new educators will need to be required.
• Immigration will account for 96 percent of the increase in the school-age population over the next 50 years. If mass immigration continues, the education of all children in America will continue to be undermined. Education costs will continue to escalate and quality of education will continue to decline.
• The total K-12 school expenditure for illegal immigrants costs the states $7.4 billion annually—enough to buy a computer for every junior high student nationwide.
• The California State Department of Education estimates that 16 new classrooms will need to be built every day, seven days a week, for the next five years. That's effectively one new school per day! The number of teachers will need to be doubled within ten years, meaning that 300,000 new educators will need to be required.
• Immigration will account for 96 percent of the increase in the school-age population over the next 50 years. If mass immigration continues, the education of all children in America will continue to be undermined. Education costs will continue to escalate and quality of education will continue to decline.
• The total K-12 school expenditure for illegal immigrants costs the states $7.4 billion annually—enough to buy a computer for every junior high student nationwide.
The #'s speak for them selves.
And all in the name of socialisim and votes!!!!!
Those in favor of illegal immigration and amensty, are selling out the United States,
in order to gain political power and further thier agenda!!!
That goes beyond the pale!!!
Not that is California you are thinking of. We have Govenor Blanco.
And just to reiterate, most of us are not opposed to legal and controlled immigration. What we are opposed to is illegal immigration and its manipulation from radical activists, the MNM and liberal elitists who advocate socialism.
oh sorry excuse me. I saw LA. i thought ...LA as in Cali..
you are the state of louisiana...(cant spell it!)
OK.
you are the state of louisiana...(cant spell it!)
OK.
I have friend who imports 50 legal seasonal worker. They arrive in march and leave in november. I the passe 12 years not one has skipped out. It makes me wonder about the ones that do skip.
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