Hillary is a socialist/communist....this is a republic/democracy. The two cannot be integrated. That's why she doesn't belong, and will never be president. Beyond that, she is pretty much just angry and power-hungry.

Yoda, you and your soapbox are correct. It is indeed unfortunate this govt has strayed so far from their Partys' original goals. Current Dems are trying to disarm us and failing to protect us from invasion and forgot that the "little people" they are supposed to represent are the "little AMERICAN people". And didn't THEY ask to have the UN come in to chaperone our elections? Those guys are so dirty, how could anybody expect them to be honest. The Repubs forgot about small govt and are now funding "faith based groups". But the Founding Fathers had to stay in our sandbox because we didn't have an Income Tax, until 1913. That's what makes us (them, really) have access to so much money that their greed and attempts to control other governments always ends up getting us shot with our own hardware. The Founding Fathers were wealthy and educated. And I have seen too many legislators that have no clue about what they are in charge of. People on the internet are making references to undoing this government by force. Unfortunately, we have so many enemies within, we'd end up like Jericho. I'd like to see more lawsuits for not honoring the Constitution. It was great to see the Minutemen take action. But the very structure of the government is being undone due to collusion: there is no way to ensure internal controls when everybody is in bed with everybody else, and they are all greedy as sin.

When the honorable get involved, such as the CPA in Florida, he got 60k votes, but lost to a more nameworthy opponent, he said it was not worth getting in the muck to do it again. Too bad, because someone appreoached him about running as a "Republicrat". So I get on my soapbox and say "If you don't know the issue or the candidates, DON"T VOTE!!!" Block voting, as mentioned above, is so dangerously foolish. Good people can be in any party, we just have to identify them. The dems have shown us how dangerous they are. Didn't they pass that Spanish translation thing?

www.congress.org gives us access to our legislators, and I hope everyone in this thread is writing to theirs. Thank them when they do well, and give 'em when they don't. www.numbersusa.com is going a great job too. MPP and NORML have gotten the most votes ever, to de-criminalize cannabis. Even if you oppose cannabis, think about the drug runners who are making a fortune, making it freely available to kids, and the farmers and inventers who do not have this crop to make new business. That's just too much damm government: they are getting inbetween legal doctor-patient relationships, attacking the sick via the DEA. Those guys are scary.

All the police/sheriffs/ out there are pushed to make arrests, and can make anybody look guilty. Look at the OJ thing. If they had just left the crime scene alone, the guy would have been found guilty. The reasonable doubt came from the police messing with the crime scene, to make sure he got arrested.

It might be time to start organizing "out of the blue" demonstrations to target, for example, the Senators who voted for shamnesty. There are enough job-displaced educated Americans with time on their hands. Look at us! Congress spent 20 billion dollars to buy a computer system to identify the comings and goings in this country. It still doesn't work: a card has to be run through a card reader, and only a small percentage of people driving across the border get tested. GTE had a facial recognition system more than ten years ago that worked great. Why didn't congress just buy GTE's system? or anyone else's for that matter. Instead, they hired a company with HQ outside the States. Dumb, dumb, wastefully DUMB. If we took the IRS away, they might have to actually start budgeting. And for the CEOs who make more money in an hour than their lowest paid people do in a year; I believe in capitaism, but because the government makes laws that help business, we don't have a really free capitalist system. Now America has a class of "Working Poor" Americans while the moochers are driving around in new cars, sending Billion(s) home to mexico each year.

And look at the bridges that are falling down! We had a ten year old bridge fail. Nobody went back and figured out who spent that money and who built the bridge. There's just no accountability, unless you are Martha Stewart or Rush Limbaugh, and I don't think they are criminals! The IRS even attacked Willy Nelson! Unfortunately, a get rid of the IRS vote was taken a couple of years ago, and did not pass. The MSM didn't make the public aware enough to do an informed vote.

I saw a TV show where an American town was required for each household to own a gun. They didn't really enforce that law, but crime went down a bunch! Some little old lady aimed her rifle at the home invaders and they ran away like the rats they are. I know at the shooting range, everybody is VERY polite to each other. I used to leave my Gucci purse unattended there. Later, it got stolen in a skybox at some hockey game I didn't even want to go to... dwammit.

To keep this thread on target, I'm afraid Hilliary and her whole party are even more dangerous than what we have. (Except for Kusinich, why couldn't he look more like Mitt Romney?)

She's not a communist, points at name, directs Jwinathome to nearest dictionary.com

Com·mu·nist (kÅ�m'yÉâ„¢-nÄ­st)
n.

1.
1. A member of a Marxist-Leninist party.
2. A supporter of such a party or movement
(dictionary.com)

Communism
Communism is an ideology that seeks to establish a classless, stateless social organization based on common ownership of the means of production.
(wikipedia)

You may not like, I mean even I don't really like her policies, but don't call people a communist without proof, I have yet to see her waving a red army revolution flag. She doesnt even show up on the Communist Party of the United States of America (CPUSA) list.

And if they were Dems. then all of those in office would be asses*, not just lots of 'em.

I'm watching my home state start to fall under the cloud of Democrat mis-rule, and in the spring I'm going to statrt a campaign to get the Dems. out of state government before it's too late for us all. If they're allowed to continue, we'll have to change the State Motto from "Live Free or Die" to "We'll Bleed You 'Til You Die".


* Thieves, too.

I agree the Dems are dangerous. It is unfortunate that this President has usurped powers that were never intended to be given over to the Executive branch. When his ShAmnesty bill to legalize 20 million illegal aliens failed, he removed the National Guard from the Southern Border. Now he's appointed Sen. Mel Martinez to the seashore borders - he gives orders to the Navy. A staunch supporter of ShAmnesty (sham-amnesty), Martinez is probably going to put all our Navy vessels in drydock for new paint jobs. Now King George is working on erasing all the borders and creating a North American Union. These guys are making a really bad name for the few Republicans in office who want to protect and defend the Constitution.

USSR: I don't understand your post. When Americans say "communist", I think we are referring to a dictatorial/socialist government, not the former USSR who were our enemy during the Cold War. The Russian family I once knew, were a very kind and cultured people. I always feel a very pro-American view from your posts

If you're refering to someone as a dictator state that, don't sling terms around. Personally I try and not choose Dems or Republicans, but instead of voting for a side I vote for a person, not for a political affiliated party, and it's sad at how split America is just because of our bi-party system. Personally I would say the toughest job in the world is to be president of the United states.

Face it, as president you don't really get great pay, you have body guards,yeah, only to make sure you don't get assasinated, and no matter what you do someone will always boo you.

As per the comment about Dems being asses and thieves,
In the immortal words of my Father,
"Play nice now children."

If I wrote what I really think about 'em... well... Let's just say I would no longer be welcome here. If one were to take a dispassionate look at late 20^th Century history, it would quickly become apparent that nearly all of the problems that plague this country today are a direct result of the efforts of the Left (Dems./Socialists). And if the Left isn't stopped, we'll end up living under their idea of "utopia", the blueprint of which can be found in Orwell's "1984".

That's interesting. Some of us think we are already well on our way to "1984" under GWB and the Neocons. But I wouldn't call it utopia.

I agree mommabear.

Just look at a few of the Party slogans; 'War Is Peace,' ie, unending war in the Middle East to "protect" us from terrorists; 'Ignorance Is Strength,' ie, we can't tell the public what's really going on because hey, that pesky democracy gets in the way of security...we'd be informing the terrorists after all! And lastly, 'Freedom Is Slavery,' which again brings up the debate between Liberty and Security (we know which one Bush leans toward).

And let us not forget, "Big Brother Is Watching," ie, wire taps without warrents, ect.


MattV, totalitarianism can and has existed on both the right and the left; neither are immune to the lure of power.

I think the war on terror is about as realistic as the war on serial rapists (which, IMO, would be much better for the welfare of this country). There's too many out there to actually... magically eliminate it.

I agree with the above. Being left or right has nothing to do with what you do with power (Hitler and Stalin can both attribute to that). I think it's foolish to blame any single entity for being the cause of our problems.

It's a bunch of entities - they're called Socialists, who masquerade as "Democrats". Almost a third of the Legislature is a part of the "Progressive Caucus", which has direct political and financial ties to the Socialist Party in this country. These are the people that would see government tell us what our jobs will be, where we'll live, whether or not we can marry and how many children we'll be allowed, if any. They're the ones that want to dictate how you speak, and think. They believe government's job is to micro-manage our personal lives!! They believe that it's only right to take from those that have worked for what they have and just give it to those that won't lift a finger to help themselves - they're "entitled" to have their lazy butts supported by those that show some ambition. And what'll happen? Ambition will fade away. People won't see any reason to do more than what they need to to just get by. Why should they, when any more will just be stolen from them, anyways? And that's when the government comes along and threatens the few that still do work to do more - they have an increasing population of drudges for them to support. And before you know it, representative government is replaced by totalitarianism. You don't vote for what you want any more - you're told what you want. And if you disagree... well, they'll just have to "re-educate" you. Unless it would be easier for you to just disappear.

What I don't understand is how people can just stand blindly by and watch this once great country come apart. Perhaps it's as simple as no one caring, any more.

So, you want all leftist influence out of this country? I'm sure we'd be MUCH safer with a one-party totalitarian system. I mean, the Republicans surely wouldn't go power-crazy, being the only party, and all.
I don't think ANY politician, Republican, Democrat, or sane, is truly capable of great change, either positive or negative, because they, along with the citizens, just don't care.

And, before you make any more extreme claims, citation would be wonderful. Sorry, but I have no reason to believe that Democrats are the only people who make life miserable for the rest of us.

MattV: If the Democrats have been responsible for everything, what were the Republicans doing during the 12 years of Reagan/Bush and now the 8 years of Bush/Cheney? And please don't try to tell us it's all Clinton's fault.

I always thought New Orleans was a perfect example of what liberal ideals create. (Before or after Katrina, take your pick.)

I don't agree with Matt in the sense that democrats have cause all the woes of this country. Actually, as you mentioned MommaBear, I blame the spineless repubs for NOT getting anything done while they had control. As for Bush...like him or not, he is the president and has never deserved to be attacked vehemently by the left without any substance whatsoever.

We do have Clinton to blame for quite a bit, but he definitely pales in comparison with James "peanut" Carter. Heck even Reagan was pro-amnesty.

And I swear if Hillary does become president, we may as well change the term "term" to "dynasty". The Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton cycle would drive me up the wall.

Yes, and change the term "United States Of America" to "The People's Republic of North America", or simply "Red America" for short.

This image of Hilarious Clinton keeps coming to mind, she's standing in a pair of jobhpur boots, riding breeches, a matching military blouse complete with epaulets and Sam Brown shouting do as I say...NOW!

It isn't the Dems. as a whole that have contributed to America's slide toward oblivion. I know a few Dems. that are hard-working, straight thinking people. The operative word being "few", 'cause that's all there seem to be.

The influence of the Left can be seen in the deterioration of our educational system (yet people still can't understand why there are so many dummies with diplomas), the dissolution of the American family, the number of young people with criminal records, The abdication of personal responsibility that an alarming number of people have chosen to follow. The Leftist attitude of "it's someone else's fault" is responsible for the number of amazingly stupid lawsuits that are clogging our courts today, and the even more ludicrous "judgments" people can receive for their own stupidity, or even for an honest mistake. I used to pull over and offer to help if I saw someone with a flat, or some other problem. Not any more. If the spare went flat the next day, I'd find myself being sued for thirty million dollars!! And the a****le with the flat would probably win. Being a good Samaritan isn't for those without substantial financial means, any more.

Leftist "values" are responsible for the size of the welfare roles in this country; the Left is responsible for the plague of multiculturalism that has afflicted this country. And history shows that multiculturalism is a big red flag signaling the beginning of the end.

The Left is dedicated to making this a Socialist State. I can't believe that the American people are too blind to be able to see this, so it seems that they must just not care any more.

I can't say as I agree with the education thing. At least in my state, that is 100% the agenda of the Republicans, which is seemingly almost 100% of the people in state office.

I also can't say as I agree with the fact that the Left is responsible for the number of idiots out there today. I say blame that one on Hollywood and the fact that singing so-so and looking pretty pays more than helping the lives of others. No one cares about anything except money these days, but blaming it on the government is a little extreme, to me.

I do, however, agree that Democrats are good at pointing fingers. It seems like Dubya is screwed no matter what he does in their eyes. Though I am not a strong supporter of Bush myself, I don't believe that he is the sole reason for our problems.

Matt,

excellent write-up. Dummies with diplomas are coming from schools that have to teach to tests and ensure order rather than educating. Teachers are punished for their student's failures, underpaid, required to continue schooling at their own expense during their unpaid "summer vacations". No wonder schools all lean left. And it takes forever to get a tenured professor fired for preaching hate. The MSM is 90% left. They report what fits with their liberal views: they should be sued for false advertising, because they print opinion and slant stories to their political persuasion. Newspapers were supposed to keep the government transparent. And now that the Internet is taking over that job, the left is trying to pass laws for "equal time" and filing for permits. We'd better ask Santa for GLOCKS, before they get taxed or banned from the imports. Amazing that it took poison toothpaste and pet food for the MSM to identify the insanity of oursourcing. Quality was never recognized: only "cheap goods" and the hushed stock tips passed around the senate. Translating legal documents is helping give away the entitlements created for AMERICANS. Let's not forget why they were created: to ensure dignity for Americans who had worked to build this Country. Now, if you're an American, you're much more likely to end up in the slammer than alien lawbreakers and "religious" murderers. Oh, and don't forget those lovely children that fly the American flag upside down, underneath the flag of some other country, at the public schools American children are getting nudged out of. Neither Party is standing up for America. Both have forgotten their roots. Greed and voter ignorance is destroying us. Remember, the R's are divided: at least most of them want to secure the borders. After all, block voting is not on their side and they need to get their act together before we're all bowing to mecca. We should give them credit for keeping the fight in the M.E.

One thing that may help keep the Left in check is the Dems. unequaled skill at shooting themselves in the foot. Billary attracts attention by letting some of her hairy chest show. Obama is handicapped by not being "all" black. And their verbal shootouts don't do much for their respective campaigns, but at least they entertain.

And what's with the Dems. obsession with the homos, anyways? I know a few homos that seem to be somewhat embarrased by the whole thing. (A "debate" on what to do with or about 'em? I don't know anyone that reacted to that one positively. Not even the homos.) And they spend so much time squabbling with each other that the only ones people take seriously are the Republicans. Which doesn't have any effect on the whacko vote going to the Dems., of course. And they'll find some weasel way to get the votes of the foreign criminals that are running rampant in this country. Which I believe is against the law - non-Americans voting in an American election.

It's pretty sad when one of our political parties will resort to illegal vote-getting. Not surprising, just sad. I remember a minor scandal in one of the Midwestern states when it was discovered that a lot of votes had been cast by dead people! And, no, I don't have a link to it. Like I said, it was a minor thing.

It wasn't a "minor" thing. It was the Chicago Daley machine that used dead people as well as other tricks to give Kennedy Illinois in the 1960 election

I was talking about something a bit more contemporary. It was minor in the fact that it didn't affect the outcome of an important election. But it's still something typical of the lying weasels of the extremist Left. Not that the lying weasels of the extremist Right are any different.

I don't like Hilary. I believe her to be running for all the wrong reasons. I don't believe her integrity genuine.
I don't care for Condi, either, though. I believe her to be competent enough, and perhaps it's my disdain of the administration she works for that taints my view of her. I feel if she had any sense of real duty to the American people, she would resign from this tragic hypocrisy, denounce the decisions being made, and talk to us like we actually understand what is going on. Because we do.

I want the politicians to start being honest, in word and deed, or fear La Revolution!! Protect my freedoms, do not take them away!

/rant off
whew. sorry about that, I need to stay off these political threads. this was mild for me.

Thanks for sharing.....I think you are right in wanting them to be honest. I really agree its not much to ask. The problem with the freedoms aspect, is that Hilary and types like her think we are not responsible enough to make good decisions, and that they need to make them for us. And decision making is the most fundamental freedom that we have. Bigger/more government is the problem, not the solution.

Come, now. They're politicians. And most of them started out as shysters. Honesty is a lot to ask. I doubt if any of 'em could even spell the word, let alone know what it means.

I don't know that much about politics, I am learning because the little I do know makes me look inadequate in debates and I can’t have that. I want my opinions to be taken serious, and have some merit behind them. What I do know are most people running for political offices are crooked.

This topic gets me angry! I don't like Dr. Rice, or Hillary! I think they both are ignorant. All they are doing is running to make a feminist stand. I am a woman and I believe for a woman to run it should be for the right reasons not to show men that we can run a country, which is very possible IMO. A woman should run because she is ready and qualified. I don’t agree that Hillary gets all the negative attention. I don't think either one is really qualified to be president.

Hillary staying married to her husband after he cheated on her is noble IMO. She is trying to make it work and everyone makes mistakes and it's her choice, not ours, or our place to judge her. I still don't see how their personal life makes a difference in their performance or how it's any of our business. I know for one thing if I was in there position I wouldn't want people meddling in my personal life; if my husband and I were having marital problems. I would want them to focus on my ability to perform my duties and critique how I could do my job better. That is all I ever hear about Hillary is she took Bill back. Is that all anyone has to say about her? I don’t ever hear anything worth any merit. So what, she took her cheating husband back. Should we hang her in the town square? I mean we should take a look at President Bush. How is his marriage, has he been faithful? Would that change you're mind about him if he wasn't? How would you react if you found out President Bush had sexual relations with another woman, or smoked pot? I am sorry for ranting but I just dont' understand politics that well and why people are still divided in America?

I agree, I am just getting tired of being told becuase I am a woman I am stupid and don't anything. I think woman have a long way still to go to be considered equal in a man's world.

What was the scandal with President Bush's brother being the governer of Flordia when we was elected?

Just so you know, Condi ISN'T running. She is quite content as a diplomat and has no interest in being a politician. That's why so many people like her. As for Hillary, staying with Bill is not noble; it's calculated. She's a career politician. The Clintons are good for each other's careers. Those that are voting for her are not really voting for her, they're voting for her husband. She knew that would be the case, and Bill knew that he might be able to help her pull it off, making him First Man. Can you imagine the millions they'll make in book sales? They've already done that, and they'll do it some more, I guarantee. It's all about power with those two.

Who knows? Huck? Giuliani? Romney? I like them all okay, but I don't love any of them. I guess you work with the tools you're given...

Sure why not Hillary. The last 3 screwed up the country so much I don't think Hillary could do any more damage.

I see that Hillary has a lot of support.....much of it IS female. I could not EVER vote for THAT particular woman. As a Republican, I haven't always been pleased with Mr. Bush, but felt that considering the MESS that Clinton left in the WH, he couldn't do any worse. The war is something off limits in discussion for me-I am a Veteran-Nuff said.
I personally think that Hillary is a sneaky slippery snake. I see her squirm out from under every direct question that involves something she supported at one time, but desires to distance herself from now. She's GOOD, very, very good at doing this. I cannot support any candidate who stands on Pro Choice platform. In America, you can and will go to jail for abusing or killing an animal in an inhumane way. Yet, In America, it is perfectly legal to murder a being that has a beating heart and a brain. What Women do you Ever hear talk openly about their past abortions.....or the feelings that they had AFTER they had an abortion? The majority are ashamed, full of guilt feelings, and try to forget that it ever happened. I saw my twins heartbeats on a monitor at 7 weeks after conception........I had proof in front of me that they were alive and developing. I used to very much believe that I was for the PERSON and not the party, but over the years the Democrats have made it impossible for me to support ANY of their candidates based on their very liberal platforms. Hillary is certainly no different. I agonize over my choices in every election..........it is never a simple and easy selection for who I vote responsibilities onto. AS for telling the truth.........Money and Power Corrupt.......it is difficult to be HONEST in the face of being controlled by Money and Power. Political Reform is much needed in America!

There's a problem -

she says she would be the "candidate of change", yet as you point out "the last 3 screwed up" quite a bit, and she was married to one of them.

The only change she would bring is that she is a woman. Otherwise, she really is "business as usual" in the political arena. It would be more of the Clinton same.

If we really want someone who would bring a change to the direction of the Presidency, we shouldn't vote for someone who is married to the system.

Just my opinion.

If it was between her and ANY republican, I would have to hold my nose and vote for her.
AFAIC the republic party has some extremely poor candidates. They could probably find better candidates under a rock somewhere. The Democratic party, on the other hand, has several excellent alternatives to Senator Clinton. Personally, I would vote for Kucinich in a heartbeat, but would settle for Edwards. Obama would do, but Mike Gravel would be better. And if Al Gore ran, he would probably be the best thing that happened to this country in quite some time.

On the other side, Huckleberry, is a preacher. Against separation of Church and State. Would not get my vote.
Willard Romney, is a corpratist with the name of a rat that starred in a movie. Would not get my vote.
Fred Thompson, is another actor. We already had Reagan because John Wayne was dead. Not voting for him.
John McCain. Too old. Will probably die BEFORE he gets into office. No vote from me.
Crudy Ghuliani. Never. People from NYC described the place as Guliani's Gulag when he was mayor, and he thinks that he's a saint because he did what any mayor would have done on 9/11. No way Jose.
Ron Paul is a shill for the John Birch Society and the KKK. Paul is older than McCain, way too old, not to mention, I could never trust anyone with two first names. Not on my watch.
Duncan Hunter. I don't think that I could vote for the Dunkin Donuts' mogol.
Alan Keyes is just a plain jerk.

He isn't trying to make the government into a spanish inquisition-like institution.

I'm sure people would throw a fit if they actually realized that the bible(yes, the one with the old testament, new testament, and jesus) was mandatorily taught in schools for over a century from the start of our nation. And we now complain about how the pledge of allegiance mentions the word "god" in it.


I hate hillary more than obama. Seeing as how she tries to blend in wherever she goes and constantly changes her viewpoints...

I dunno, the socialist party really isn't that much for democracy. I can't stand it.

FYI -- the word god was inserted in 1951. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pledge_of_Allegiance



Yeah, the Republican party is more for corporate welfare, which WE THE PEOPLE should stand up against. I can't stand this socialism for corporations myself.

So you think insanity is a positive trait for a President?

No, that's why I am not voting Republic Party.

Like it discredits anything I said? It still doesn't change the fact that the bible was required in schools...

Man, I think we can all tell you're pretty liberal already.


Really, I think that a president could so easily get elected if (s)he promised to actually do something about illegal immigration. Of course, it doesn't matter which side they're on nowadays, they still are for cheap labor, so they're not gonna do anything about it.

Man, I thought since that this is more of an adult-oriented forum I would at least get someone that could rebut my comments with a bit more of a logic approach...

I've tried to make some sense out of this statement, but I can't. Could it be that there is none there?

I dunno. I think that the first sentence would work well by itself, but the second completely throws it all off.

So, yes, there is a hint of sense in there.

I'm a registered Democrat but I have voted for Republicans, more than once. I think any person who votes strictly party line, be it Democrat or Republican, is an uninformed, easily swayed, naive person who I hope to God is never in charge. Unfortunately, Washington D.C. is full of them....

There for, I'm starting to wonder if Rocco5955 is really a congressman, (person) incognito. Since he finds nothing but fault with one party and will vote for someone who makes him ill because they are from the other party... Am I right???

I've got it!!! Your Al Gore!!! (just kidding)

Metaphorically speaking, Democrats will accept an invitation into your home, polite and friendly, and then when you're not looking, they'll steal the family silver. Republicans, however, will knock you down andsteal from you right out in the open.

Democrats are thieves; Republicans are muggers.

At least you have a slim chance of fighting off a mugger.

Well, I am breaking with a rule I set to myself as a European member of this board. Since there is huge media coverage and the topic itself is not less important to the rest of the world, I will post here and now. However, just this once (especially as the original question was "Hillary for President" Y/N)...

I delayed this response by about 24 hours because I wanted to give myself to read the full 20 pages piled up so far and to read up on some of the things affecting the elections. I have to say, the system is stil not entirely clear to me.

To answer the question up front, I said Hillary wont become President. Why, I will go into detail later.

Being German, it is normal for me to be able to vote as of my 18th birthday. I have done every time since then, be it local elections or the one that has caused the first woman to be the chancelor of the German government. I find it thus something that needs twisted thinking to get used to, to understand the US law and its limitation to be entitled to vote. Even if you are a criminal, you are still american. Why should one not be allowed to vote? The prisoner is still an american citizen.

Unfortunately the american system has this two-party thing, which I dont understand (seems MaraM in post #79 and I have something in common here ). It limits the country so much to what these two parties are planning and seems to provide too little power to the small parties to intervene or help change the direction towards which the country is heading.

I for one would vote Democratic, atleast for the country-wide elections. As for the local elections, I have voted for what seems comparable to the Republican party in America. So yes, one should base his/her vote on the politician and the goals set for one's locality. I guess thats what every normal person does.

So whom would I vote for? Hillary or Obama? Well as mentioned above, I said that Hillary wont become President. That does not mean I do not like her at all. It is just that from the Democrates point of view, I would give my voice to Obama. Why is that? Well:

Barak Obama is liked for his "fresh wind," but also regarded as less experienced. An article I read in "Die Zeit" today morning put it nicely in that it says that he will bring along the desire to start over again, but also that he symbolises the reconciliation of white and black and being the anti-bush.

Then we have Hillary, she is the experienced, cold-headed one. However, what makes me think that she will not become President is, that she is what one could call a "real" politician. She seems to the eye of an observer, as if all she was talking about on her appearances, was read off a teleprompter. Along with a bit of acting. Look at her cold and personal attacking appearance in Iowa and her next appearance where she suddenly won after falling to tears with masses of media people around and a handful of followers.

Then there is the Republicans. I for one seem to only be able to go with John McCain. The others dont say anything to me, or are too religious and thus not even considerable for the position of the US President.

One that should not be left out of sight, is Mr Bloomberg. I dont know enough about him, but I do believe that he might also be a candidate worth looking at.

Again, being used to a different election theme - I for one would not go by a party and would never become a member of a party. In today's world, a liberal party could slide to the left and a left party to the center. Who knows. Additionally, the other party you would then not be a member of, might just have what seems more suitable for you in the next election period. So, are you gonna change parties every time elections come? Dont think so.

Then again, if neither of the major parties do not fit your needs or believes I think the best to do is to vote for a minority party. Just to give them a chance to have a bigger say. Atleast thats what I do here. Country-wide I would vote red & green (democrates and green party), but state-wise I voted black (I believe comparable to republicans) & green.

We have elections coming up too and the parties are just doing the same game your parties do now too. Who knows whom I am gonna vote then. Only time will tell. Only thing for sure is, that currently no party has the recipe to get my 100% attention.

Uoh, this has turned into a rant. So I am glad I didnt answer a particular other topic in here that has turned into just as many pages discussion. Please do allow me to comment on a few other quotes though. I have tried to cut down on as much as possible, as this is way offtopic and I do not wish to put additional salt in that wound or place another reply after this (as I have answered the original question and placed my vote already). As the number of quotes to be listed is limited, I will link to the particular replies instead.

What the Who, in post #32:

I agree that Bill did do a few good things and he is not that much "branded" as the bad boy here from what I can tell. I guess its obvious that a lot of people still *cough / chucle* over his little thing-a-ding-dong with M.L. Additionally, as much as I do think that Hillary will be influenced by her husband, I do not think that she should be blamed for his mistakes.

ScHwerV, in post #44:

Why would the world not be ready for what you call the "worlds biggest superpower"? Your arguments are not valid from what we have experienced here in Germany with "Angie" as our first lady. Cant say that she was not taken seriously, only because she was female. Quite the opposite. Atleast how it seems from this side of the pond...If she gets her bottom kicked, underline if, then I doubt that it will discourage any following female. Quite the opposite. A woman that actually goes through this special process and claims her right to give it a try to run for presidency, should be, and probably is, well aware of what she needs to be able / capable of...

MGBY, in post #80:

You are correct. Politicians are the same all over the world. Be it Australia, America, or Germany. Howard was still on duty when I was in Ozzie and I didnt always agree. I am glad that there is a change in the land of Kangoroos now. Same goes for Germany. Just as its coming closer to elections in some of the states here, the politicians start re-inventing the wheel and thinking they need to start a propaganda machine, that is completely different to what the country wide terms where when one voted for their party back when Angie got Chancelor...Its all about staying on top of things and not about political ideals, honesty, or fighting for what the people voted one for at the last elections. Its suddenly all about being an actor, and trying to be so good at it, that its actually quite obvious again that you are acting in the first place...

dc3, in post #136:

Correct. It goes well with a later quote by mz30 and thus needs no further saying.

jwinahome, in post #142:

You know why the UN is "worthless" and no "decisions" are made? There are three permanent members who regularly put their "own good," over the good for the entirety. I guess it is somewhat natural to try and look out for personal interests, but it should be levelled out on the scale as much as possible. The prior also answers dc3's statement in post #146.

dc3, in post #155:

From what I heard / read about him, I have to agree with what you where saying.

mz30, in post #203:

Agreed to in a comment made further above.

ussr1943, in post #256:

Totally agreed and reflects what I mention in my opening paragraph(s).

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I must say the above post is very well done and clean and easy to read. Very nice.

I know, its pretty sad. the problem is that people dismiss politics and don't care where the nation is going anymore, and they usually vote for the same party every year. US politics don't fragment. In the past its been deadly for whatever group that tries. Its quite sad. The republicans are fragmenting themselves with all the newer canidates, which won't happen near the end, but its still doing damage. I think a lot of americans want change, but neither of the two parties are going to do what the people want, even if thats what they promise. Its the curse of the country being so large, or the states not having enough power anymore.

The republican party violently attacks any person or group that has a different opinion then they do, and the elite only care about them self not the normal person.
On the other hand with out business we would not have jobs.
So a balance is needed between the common person and the great and powerful.
That is the idea of the U.S.A. but not the reality.

Too bad all voters are not as open-minded.

Two-party system

If so, they should educate themselves and vote accordingly instead of staying home or voting for the big D/R across the board.

Actually there is more proof that liberal Democrats are the ones who do this. You can find numerous examples of attacks on conservative speakers throughout academia the past few years to find ample evidence and these folks are routinely supported by elite professors.
Mob Rule on College Campuses

Facts are facts unless you get your information from the Daily Kos.

Both Parties conduct themselves in a manner that we all should find objectionable, something you each have noticed, albeit from apparently differring points of view.

Each Party seems to make decisions that are best for the respective party, rather than what would be best for the country (even though they claim what they are doing is for the good of all).

Makes it difficult to really get behind either Party's candidate, doesn't it?

The democratic party violently attacks any person or group that has a different opinion then they do, and the elite only care about them self not the normal person.
On the other hand with out business we would not have jobs.
So a balance is needed between the common person and the great and powerful.
That is the idea of the U.S.A. but not the reality.