Ha, I bet they're trying to make more money by making people buy a new machine or installation CD and converting to Vista. Although it's seriously a bad idea. But, I'm not complaining, plenty of time for Linux to take over my computer

Sadly I am trying to buy Windows XP for a computer that my brother has, the sad part is that already no one is stocking it and my only choice is to get it from a computer retailer and since it is OEM I am required to buy hardware for it too

I think we are going with Vista, not that we should really encounter many errors. This whole business with the discontinuing of XP is already taking it's toll!

It's the most annoying thing to also be forced to buy hardware when you don't need it. Imagine what all that extra money could be used for...

It is Microsoft need to screw their head on I think, bad decision this!

NO need to compile, that's what Distributions are for: so you don't HAVE to compile anything as it's already compiled and tested and wrapped up with a bow.

Of course, you can compile if you want to; it makes you feel like an Uber-Hacker!

Ok before I say anything else, I must say that GUI in Vista looks very appealing (To me) but the amount of resources it takes up has gone to far I think. Also, this doesn't really occur for me but the amount of drivers and some programs (Especially ones required for businesses) that don't have compatibility with Vista is also another reason why they can't stop XP form being sold.

I know a bit of hysteria is good fun and all that, but why do people keep saying security updates will cease in 2009?

The Product Lifecycle for Windows XP:

http://support.microsoft.com/lifecycle/sea...Filter=FilterNO

Mainstream support is retired 14th April 2009. For the duration of mainstream support updates will include security hotfixes and may include updates to address non-security issues of functionality.

Extended support is retired 8th April 2014. During extended support phase, MS provides security hotfixes but doesn't provide non security related software updates.

And why are people whingeing about superseded software becoming unavailable? What a surprise! After all, people who want Windows 98, not XP, can toddle down to the store and buy a nice new copy can't they? Oh wait, no, they can't. But the ones who think Windows 98 is the spawn of the devil can still pick up good old Windows 3.1 can't they? Umm, no of course not...

Have some sense, people! It's been known since September last year that the availablility was extended, but would end. It's still available for two months, if you want a copy, go out & buy one...

And sign the petition to have XP continued...

And 98/SE/ME

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16832116056



it let me put 100 in my shopping cart

I am sorry I just found out that this is no longer available? You can only get this update with Windows Vista.



So you actually going to buy them DaChew I would invest LOL.

Platypus, it is the fact that people who are going to build new systems and who are planning on buying a new computer in around 2 months + is where the problem occurs (Actually already starting for me now). Those people won't have a choice but to go with Windows Vista due to the fact that XP has been permanently stopped from being sold and being put on new machines...that is what we are talking about

I just signed the save XP petition.

Seriously, I'm not going to break and buy Vista. The day I buy vista is the day scene kids will start wearing ccc clothing... *trails off*..

Well I mean, having Vista on your machine isn't really the end of the world I mean, con it could be worse. Atleast they are providing updates until 2009 and from there they are still going to give Security Updates until 2014! They are doing that for us but I just can't get why they can't keep XP for atleast another year so that people can feel more confident going into Vista I mean if they waited one more year they can sort some more of the bugs out form Vista and after a year I am sure more people will be more confident shifting to it.

I'm backing up my XP installation disk as we speak

Wise idea

I need an Xp installation disk >.>

??

I know what you're talking about, some other folk show signs of not being so clear on the issues, and need some factual information.

Direct OEM and Retail License Availability end date: June 30 2008

As of April 2008, Microsoft is extending availability of Windows XP Home Edition for OEMs to install on Ultra Low-Cost PCs. The new OEM end date will be the later of either June 30, 2010, or one year after the general availability of the next version of Windows.

System Builder License Availability end date: Jan 31 2009

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx

If people must purchase a system with Vista pre-installed, OEM Vista Business and Ultimate versions include downgrade rights to enable users to revert to running Windows XP Professional or Tablet PC edition.

http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/f...erencesheet.pdf

Platypus
Microsoft MVP (Shell / User)

So when you mean they extend the date to install Windows XP Home Edition on Ultra Low Cost PC's, that means computer stores selling PC's that are second hand and under the price of let's say $500 are still allowed to put XP on them until that date? Also, when you say System Builder Licence, is that for people that are building computers at their computer store and that licence allows them to put XP on their meaning people who want to buy an XP built computer can do so once the June 30th deadline is past?

Sorry if this is confusing but I myself am confused

David

Platypus, for computer handicapped people (cough cough, parents >_>) they won't know the full impact of retiring Vista.
....I doubt both my parents even know the different between Windows 3.1/95/98/2000/ME/XP/Vista.
And another thing... some of us just can't afford or aren't allowed to buy the installations. Which is why this is a big issue for me.


Yep, I know that distributions are already compiled I was referring to those USB ones, for extra applications you need to compile. Something I have absolutely no idea about

Somebody should buy 1,000 windows XP licenses, and then in like 2010 sell them lol

No I wouldn't do that I would buy 2,000! Even if you sold them in 2010, don't forget that Microsoft would still be releasing the security updates and you would have to download a heck of a lot of updates

Does anyone know if there is a legit site that is ordering many many legit copies of XP and selling them after the deadline but not making any profit? Or is it illegal to sell XP like that after the deadline?

I don't know of any sites but I'm pretty sure its not illegal.
I did find something though on Amazon.com The Ask Leo Store he sells copies of XP on Amazon pretty cheap. It doesn't look like hes making any profit on it either
Have a look David and/or anyone else, and tell me what you think

Edit: Its XP home dition by the way, and comes with SP2.

I am new and just joined and agree that is is a baaaaad decision by Microsoft but....back in the early 90's when they came out with Windows NT - they never planned to have a Windows 95 - they were only going to have a Windows NT server and a Windows NT Workstation which would not be DOS based - they never planned to continue with a DOS based platform at all but the users - mostly the gamers got together and raised such a stink that Windows 95 became a quick add on to the table - and it continued to be a platform until Windows 2000 which had a DOS box option - my point is that if you are as mad as hell about this this then speak up and out wherever you can - that petition thing I saw back in another entry and any type of of group or blog or petitiion people can find to sign will help - make noise - threaten to move to other OS - can only help - IMHO

Platy?



http://www.informationweek.com/news/window...cleID=207401829

according to this dell is doing an end around thru some loophole

http://www.dell.com/content/products/categ...s=bsd&cs=04

and these will be available until 2010 with xp?

As I understand it, it's not illegal to sell XP after the end date (despite what MS would like people to think) but rather it's against the license that retails have to sign.

here's a quiz

what company has been sued in more states and countries than any other?

The Catholic Church? Ummm... Kentucky Fried Chicken? The Center for the Visually Unpleasant?

here's a hint

Jerry Falwell?

all will be assimilated or digested like that poor chinstrap

Resistance is Futile?

McDonalds
Well since this is about Microsoft I daresay it's Microsoft Corporation :D
Edit: For some reason it looks like Wal-Mart is...
Lol. I find this cartoon ridiculously funny and sadistic...

Licensing is one of the more confusing issues, I have trouble figuring it out, and I seem to have been being more pessimistic than necessary, having switched the distribution channels in my mind in a previous topic and not thought any more about it...

Yes, but a system builder is defined by Microsoft as:

"A system builder is anyone who assembles, reassembles or installs software on a new or used computer system."

https://partner.microsoft.com/global/licensing/40012170

This can be an individual or a business of any size. An OEM OS comprised of installation media, manual and COA sticker in sealed packaging bearing the System Builder License is purchased from an Authorised OEM Distributor. This is the sales channel that can obtain XP from Microsoft until 31st Jan 2009, and is the channel used by operators of computer stores, websites that sell OEM software and "white box" computer manufacturers (volume producers who do not purchase software licenses directly from Microsoft).

Companies who are Direct OEMs (eg Dell, HP etc) purchase licenses alone directly from MS according to their monthly production schedules, creating and providing their own installation/restore media as required. It is these companies who will be unable to purchase any more XP licenses after June 30th.

An individual who is acting as a system builder should still be able to source a single copy of XP on the basis that one system builder can distribute a single unopened OEM OS package to another system builder:

"With the new 1-pack, the unopened package can be distributed to another system builder by itself, without any hardware requirement."

https://partner.microsoft.com/India/40038750

It's not widely recognised that it's under this reading of the provisions that OEM XP has been being sold to individuals for some time, rather than the commonly quoted "distributed with a non-peripheral component", which ceased to apply in 1995. Marketers who have continued stating the "non-peripheral component" have not updated their sales provisions.

So if you're seeking an XP system from July '08 up until Jan '09, you should talk to assemblers who are not OEM Direct, or build your own system, sourcing parts that need drivers from manufacturers who still offer XP drivers for their product.

Please note: I am not a Microsoft employee or empowered to speak on the behalf of Microsoft. My observations are my opinions, formed from publically available information, and subject to correction.

I really don't think Microsoft will go thru with it, if people won't buy vista, do you think redmond is stupid enough to not sell them xp for the same price. Businesses have largely said no and they will still be getting xp for a couple of years at least.

We can only hope *_*

Microsoft will cave trust me..

Heh, well, that never really stopped them from continuing to sell... ahem... trashy "works in progress" to the public.

Microsoft will cave in. Bullmer says you want XP we'll keep XP. Good News.

http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9927721-7.html

This is interesting..
So could this mean that I could go buy a vista computer (a cheap one), do a reformat, go buy a copy of XP and have an XP machine?

I'm no expert but I would guess if Microsoft lets us keep XP,then Computers will be sold with the OS System,of your choice.

Thats too bad, I think a wrong decision too. In India atleast mist companies are still working on win 2000 and they have not even upgraded to winxp and winxp has a mjor following in homes and some upgraded offices. The Microsoft itself declared vista a disaster sometime back and we have so many bugs in there pplus not all developer programs run on vista. Its a bad bad decision. I think the past success( I doubt though that it can be called that) went to their head this time.


Mod Edit: To removed duplicate statements~ TMacK

two words; THANK GOD!

http://www.informationweek.com/news/window...equestid=558605
Dell To Ship Windows XP Computers Until 2010

The nation's second-largest PC maker plans to let business customers skip Vista and go directly to Windows 7.

By Paul McDougall
InformationWeek
April 24, 2008 11:14 AM

I'm very pleased to hear that!

For some reason one of the representatives of Microsoft says that the majority of users and companies wanna throw XP out the other day. I laughed for 15 minutes.

They may indeed want to throw out XP, but not for Vista methinks!

this is the new OS they should release on CD for clean installs or repair disks

they should discount it to people who already have a legal copy of xp sp1

when shell mvp's start reccomending a full image backup before applying sp3 makes me wonder

Let's hope that is the case and the petitions are being signed because as of the printing of this article Thursday he is saying no go on keeping it.

Yes the quote I was referring to, thanks thewall
And so far no one wants it? Where in the world has he been?
Isn't SP3 still in development? Or is it done in beta?

As I understand it, it was just released. But I'm too lazy right now to Google it...

I'm still hearing of people having boot problems. And I absolutely don't wanna suffer that problem considering how much weird problems I'm having already. They should have some kind of changelog to outline the many fixes, even though there are 1000 some...