I dont usually do these things, but I got this sent to by a family member: http://www.avaaz.org/en/tibet_end_the_violence/

I dont like these things where you have to leave your email address, but I am sure those interested will know how to fill these forms / what to do.

(if you're not an American, skip this post.)

How about raising your voice for America?

It's about time we concentrated on the problems here, at home.

Let the rest of the world deal with their own problems. It's time the U.S. stopped being the unpaid and abused baby-sitter for the world.

One could always send an E-mail to the President and one's elected representatives asking that the official US delegation boycott the opening ceremony in protest of China's repression of Tibet and their own dissident citizens. I believe that is the current French position, and admire them for taking a stand.
Cheers,
John

Great point, don't forget how much money we would save.

Good point really except that Tibet has always belonged to the Tibetans and not China, until they invaded Tibet in 1948 althought some say 1950

No. Don't do anything! That's the whole point. It is not our problem and we don't have to take a stand or voice an opinion - or anything else. It's not our problem.

This country would be a lot better off if it would just stop sticking its' nose into things that are none of its' business.

No man is an island, entire unto himself. Nor a nation.

Surely the trampling of liberty and self-determination anywhere should be protested, and an E-mail to an elected representative- - -of a nation that stands for all men having the basic rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness- - - to absence themselves from the opening of the Olympics in Beijing is, at least to my mind, warranted.
John

Playing devils advocate, there are of course two sides to every story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcymyPBzzyA

Doing nothing is warranted. Let the rest of the world deal with their problems while we handle ours - which will include cleaning up the messes we've made all over the world for not simply minding our own business - starting with straightening things out domestically.

I just don't know why our government picks and chooses which parts of the world to police, and then the places that we do choose, we just can't really help at all. Iraq, afganistan are some modern examples. But I don't think we should so easily forget vietnam, it wasn't that long ago. Please, everyone who thinks that we should help all these countries, remember that it could end up like vietnam or worse, do your history lessons people.

Since my last post I have since decided that the Olympics are not the right place to stage a political protest. The olympics are supposed to be a time when everyone puts aside their differences and the best athletes in the world compete. It is not right that the athletes, who have worked so hard to rep their country, are being sacrificed for political reasons.

Agreed. And well put.

In the world, nothing penetrates like politics.
I only heard about the news today from my friend T_T And I'm still not sure what's going on.
And not sure if this is allowed but this site seems to flame western press coverage.
And exactly who's the victim here?

I am very sorry to use your post to disagree but....

I met His Holiness the Dalai Lama in 1999 in London

Sorry but Tibet belongs to the Tibetans, that is their homeland as England is my homeland, would you wish my homeland or your own to be taken away by another country? if so then please ignore the post I have made

well, i see your point. But the olympics is not about politics, nor should it be. the athletes should be allowed to compete without global politics interfering. But seriously, how long as tibet been occupied by China? and we act like its such a big deal now? if it was, the world should have banded together and banned china from the 2004 olympics. but they didn't, and now everyone thinks that the usa should boycott the olympics??? what would it do? piss china off more? probably. they would withdraw and become more isolated than ever, and all hope of persuading the chinese through diplomacy would be over.

I repeat, I do not condone what China has done with respect to Tibet, but the olympics is not the correct front to attack the problem. Period. It would make everyone's relations with China worse, and China would say, , we are keeping Tibet. If you don't like it then that's your problem."

Thank you 'Mr Angry'

Do you also give lessons on how to bury one's head in the sand?

well, you may think i'm just angry, but I really think that if we/usa tried to boycott the olympics, that is what would happen. and i only bury my head when dealing with muslims, silly.

Yes....... the so called 'Religion of Peace' NOT

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We should all voice our disapproval at what China is doing to Tibet.Every Country should be able to live in peace without the fear aggression.With China's human rights record,I think it's a mistake for them, to be chosen to hold the Olympics.
Saying that, the Athletes should be able to compete,without Politics rearing it's ugly head. Tibet will get the most publicity at the Games as most of the World will be watching.I am not in favour of Boycotting the Games,as Athletes have trained so hard and so long. Olympics should bring Nations together.
China is going to be a real threat to a lot of Countries,in the future, and we should all voice our distaste at what they are doing to small defenceless Countries. To say leave Tibet to their own Peril,as stated earlier,is pretty selfish.IMO.
Instead of Boycotting the Games,trade sanctions should be imposed. The US is one of China's biggest customers of imported goods,so I doubt the US government will have much to say,on the Tibet issue.PITY.

Why is it so important to so many of you thqt the United States interfere in the affairs of other cintries?

Korea, Viet Nam, Afghanistan, Iraq; do any of those names ring a bell with anyone?

tell that to iraq and afganistan and the pakistanis

we bombed afgan looking for osama, didnt find him, and we still inhabit so technically that is aggression

with iraq, were looking for wmds, didnt find them, bombed them anyways and our military still there, seems like agression to me

we helped the jews steal pakistan, thats seems like pretty aggressive behavior

USA says the above actions were to spread democracy and save lives, bla bla bla

then why don't they help any poor countries, darfurs been going for a while now, and we still dont care, so i really dont believe the government at all

USA has ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to tell any country what they should or shouldn't do

Erm excuse me.....BUT.... the Jews did not steal Pakistan.

Did you mean Palestine?

lol, yes

You do realise that all these invasions are about minerials?

Be it oil or other wise

I really believe this to be the case,Ophelia.I call it, Killing for Oil.Don't tell the ones, that are blinded by Patriotism,it upsets 'em.
Ryan, I am in agreement with your accessment,totally.

Isn't there a difference between interfering directly in another country's affairs...and choosing not to condone certain behavior?

Of course, the US has often had chances to lead by example...then proceeded to throw what ever credibility we had into the toilet.

"Look, Country X, you can't just go around invading other countries. Oh. Wait. About that."

"See here, Country Y, you can't treat your people like that. What? 50 million Americans without health care? Your point being?"

Hey hey hey, Country Z...weapons of mass destruction are wrong! What's that? The US has more WMD's than the rest of the world combined? Yeah, but we're the good guys!"




Agreed. I'd go so far as to argue that every war through out history was fought...or at least started...for economic gain. We don't fight them for any other reason today.

Absolutely my point.......Until Europe get Turkey into their clutches, then Iraq is out of the equation perhaps?

USA is due for a revolution.

Someone else said that to me recently, could be something in it

Not a revolution in arms...

Perhaps a revolution in social and economic philosophy...

But I feel there will be a lot more "trudging along" in the same direction for a while.

I really think the thing that hurts the USA most out of everything, economically and as a whole, is that we run a captialist economy, where the consumers are the most vital part of the equation, yet our government has made it clear time and time again that they intend to treat us like we are the least important. Unless we can find a way to make congress work effectively for the people, then a call to arms is needed.

And maybe sooner than anyone suspects.

In what way? Explain, please.

he probably means like maybe we should help the millions of americans without healthcare before we help iraq, maybe we should focus on why prices on necessary food items have risen nearly 75% in one year, way too many things to list really

We need a New World Order
And England is going the same way on these price wars, which are hitting the average person on the street, and it has to stop somewhere and the sooner, the better.......Maybe we should be raising our voices for civilisation full stop

i forget what country, but on the news the other day they were rioting about food prices. Its only a matter of time before things become that bad in america. our government has no forsight at all

Biggest quotes in a quote in a quote block I've ever seen
I think it's China, my grandma was complaining how the other day the market ran out of rice because everyone was buying 4-5 bags at a time due to increasing prices.
From what I see, prices are already increasing everywhere. Bread at the local Safeway is 2x the price from like 2 weeks ago...

When the revolution does come, the Leftists/Liberals had better hope they have someplace to hide.

Vitriol directed at a group of people for what they believe.



That doesn't sound particularly revolutionary to me; more like "business as usual."

No. For what they've done. Nearly every major ill that has befallen this country in the last four or five decades can be traced squarely back to the Liberals.

Liberalism is a nebtal illness.

It's an angry, empty road you travel my friend. I've traveled it myself and found that an ideological struggle "fought to win" is one you've already lost.

I'm more concerned with bridging the gaps between ideological view points than in "proving" mine the victor. As elusive and perhaps idealistic as this may be, I think it's the most important single goal considering the division in our country today. And so, I won't respond directly to your statement. If you'd like to start another thread on a specific issue and you'd like to have constructive debate, I'd be glad to respond in kind.

i agree.

but you must also keep in mind that many liberals/conservatives these days are not really making decisions based on what they believe in. they are doing it so they dont break party lines, or to make the rich lobbyists happy