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cowsgonemadd3
Is it illegal? Some say its unconstitutional.

Here are a couple of links:
Man Dodges Taxes For 10 Years, Wins In Federal District Court
http://consumerist.com/consumer/irs/man-do...ourt-279978.php

Why income tax is not needed:
http://www.devvy.com/notax.html

Whats your thoughts on it?
solaris32
Interesting you got away with creating a thread where you don't voice your opinion, in the speak easy forum. One of my threads got slowed down because I didn't give an opinion and the mods were discussing if they should post a topic where the author doesn't give an opinion, just a few links. Not that I'm complaining, just making an observation.

Anyway, I think taxes are extremely annoying. That link was right, the government doesn't need our taxes, they're just greedy and want more money for themselves. And way to go on that attorney who got away with not paying certain taxes. I'm sure you've heard this saying, paraphrased, "there are 2 things certain in life: death and taxes".
cowsgonemadd3
I never thought of that slowing it down but it did take 3 days or so instead of the usual few hours.

Do I think they are illegal? I am unsure now if they are I am all for getting rid of them as its MY money and I want it in MY hand instead of a DOT guy doing no work.
jwinathome
QUOTE(solaris32 @ Jul 23 2007, 09:13 PM) *
Interesting you got away with creating a thread where you don't voice your opinion, in the speak easy forum. One of my threads got slowed down because I didn't give an opinion and the mods were discussing if they should post a topic where the author doesn't give an opinion, just a few links. Not that I'm complaining, just making an observation.

Anyway, I think taxes are extremely annoying. That link was right, the government doesn't need our taxes, they're just greedy and want more money for themselves. And way to go on that attorney who got away with not paying certain taxes. I'm sure you've heard this saying, paraphrased, "there are 2 things certain in life: death and taxes".


Taxes are a necessary part of life and certain taxes must exist. Hopefully you are referring to the income tax, and social security tax.

My opinion.....they are both total bull and the government has been stealing from its people for decades. smile.gif
snowman972
The "Income Tax" is illegal and unconstitutional. The amendment to add it to the constitution was NEVER approved by ALL 50 STATES. According to the constitution, ALL STATES have to approve of the proposed amendment before it is actually law. Next time you go to file your income taxes ask an attorney, lawyer, or your income tax filer to find a law that actually says that you have to pay income taxes. HE/SHE WILL NEVER FIND IT. Sales taxes are legal.

So next time you don't have to file/pay your income taxes! CHEERS! And the government cant sue you because there is no such law that exist that says you have to pay income taxes. So don't worry if you go to court. You will win if the judge has any common sense and/or is not corrupted.
MaraM
Hmmm, I think a lot of people sitting in prison on "Tax Evasion" may agree - but they are still sitting in prison on Tax Evasion!

It may be 'technically' illegal - but that said, without it we wouldn't have Libraries, schools, roads and bridges and a zillion other things our tax dollars pay for. Granted millions upon millions are 'wasted' - but that said, we should perhaps blame the twits that do the wasting than on the actual taxes we're charged?
groovicus
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ALL STATES have to approve of the proposed amendment before it is actually law.


Really? Says who?

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And the government cant sue you because there is no such law that exist that says you have to pay income taxes.


I'm sure Wesely Snipes will be quite relieved to hear that. Oh wait... he already tried that and was sentenced to 3 years. Sorry, try again.

Let me help you out a little:
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The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.


That is the 16th amendment. Amendments only need to be approved by three-fourths of states. So not all 50 states approved of it.. who cares? It is still a constitutional amendment.

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Next time you go to file your income taxes ask an attorney, lawyer, or your income tax filer to find a law that actually says that you have to pay income taxes. HE/SHE WILL NEVER FIND IT.

It took me about 10 seconds on Google, so I guess you had better fire your lawyer, because they are idiots.

Really, if you are going to try and debate, at least have the gumption to do some research.
ryan_w_quick
i heard that there are people who used to work for the IRS who, uncovered some major ethics problems and/or corruption, so they quit. Most of them havnt filed tax forms yet, and to my knowledge they arent in any kind of trouble. dont take my word for any of this, i just heard it from my dad and i havent even googled it



ryan_w_quick
my only problem with taxes is that they are set up to kill the small guy, while i know the founding fathers did not have this in mind, to this extent anyway


as of 2001, (probably higher now) 33.4% of the wealth in the united states was owned by the top 1% of wealthy people. i would venture to say that a large majority of this 1% of individuals is making the bulk of their profits by investing. in usa, investment earnings are taxed lower than individual income tax. this seems fair if your just an average joe dabbling in the market a little bit, but when your an elitist making millions a day, it doesn't seem so fair to me anymore.

why do you think high profile politicians running for office are always so willing to fork over their tax forms? it makes them look very good, since their incomes from their "jobs" are such a low portion of their actual earnings.

this is just another problem that needs to be fixed before the middle class is destroyed, or the usa will erupt in revolution. i wouldnt say the advantage lies in us bottom 99%. our numbers count for nothing, OUR VOTES COUNT FOR NOTHING, when we are constantly being pushed back by more money than we can combat, even when the law on our side
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